Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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blueinsa said:
Condescending as usual.

What you dont get now and didn't get back when the vote happened is that the majority of people in this country now are sick and tired of the self proclaimed High brow elite like yourself and its the elitist, i know better attitude that is your downfall.

You lost, get over it, get used to it because i honestly dont see the likes of you and like minded metropolitan elitists ever winning a meaningful vote again in this country.

I can see why you have such love for those in charge of the EU as they share the same condescension and patronising style you espouse on here but the game is up, you've been sussed and the power is no longer with you.

So you keep telling yourself what a genius you are and how foolish the rest of us are because like your vote, it means absolutely fuck all!
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I found this article to be relevant and balanced as it exposes the convenient hypocrisy:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/hypocrisy-brexit-blame-game/#
 
Len Rum said:
Think again! For fuck sake. Come on.

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The EU would ban them for not conforming to set standards!
 
blueinsa said:
Condescending as usual.

What you dont get now and didn't get back when the vote happened is that the majority of people in this country now are sick and tired of the self proclaimed High brow elite like yourself and its the elitist, i know better attitude that is your downfall.

You lost, get over it, get used to it because i honestly dont see the likes of you and like minded metropolitan elitists ever winning a meaningful vote again in this country.

I can see why you have such love for those in charge of the EU as they share the same condescension and patronising style you espouse on here but the game is up, you've been sussed and the power is no longer with you.

So you keep telling yourself what a genius you are and how foolish the rest of us are because like your vote, it means absolutely fuck all!
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Absolutely spot on. This applies to so many in the remain camp.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Absolutely spot on. This applies to so many in the remain camp.
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A lot of kettles on here today.

Must be Kettle Tuesday, the day selective retentionists make definitive statements devoid of any introspection or self awareness whatsoever.

It's a two way street.
 
Magicpole said:
A lot of kettles on here today.

Must be Kettle Tuesday, the day selective retentionists make definitive statements devoid of any introspection or self awareness whatsoever.

It's a two way street.
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The difference is you actually lost the debate last June. You need to move on and try and see the positives rather sitting in your ivory tower endlessly telling the majority that you think they got it wrong.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
The difference is you actually lost the debate last June. You need to move on and try and see the positives rather sitting in your ivory tower endlessly telling the majority that you think they got it wrong.
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I don't live in an ivory tower. I know we lost. I know we have to deal with the consequences.

The problem I have is the failure of people to see the consequences and accept that it might be terrible.

It might not. If it isn't I will be the first to put my hands up.

Equally, if it goes south then I will be quick to say, we fucking told you.

Your vision to me is too simplistic and hazard free. I just don't see that transpiring.
 
The perfect fumble said:
Yep, I did.

Read this....

Brexit committee warns of impact of no deal being reached

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39482530

I assume you look at the membership of the Brexit Committee and see nothing but remoaner sabotage, and that is the difference between us.

I see a confirmation of the disaster that awaits us, not because I voted remain, I'm not an uncritical fan of the EU, but because the facts point very strongly in that direction.

There is a terrible sense of inferiority in here displayed by quite a few leave posters but it boils down to this, leave is not a rational choice it is an emotional one. It is no less valid for it but it is not based on facts, on economic self interest, or even a rationale analysis of our role in the world. It is based on a "sense" of destiny a "feeling" that the EU is about to collapse, a "yearning" to be free from something or other wrapped in a burning negative "view" of the nature and structure of the EU.

No leaver here knows what our negotiators are striving for over in Brussels because no one knows what a "good deal" looks like, but the facts point out there is no good deal only a choice between terrible and a disaster.

Leavers say our trade deficit with the EU will save us because the rest of the EU will want to continue to sell to us but then they conveniently forget about that very same trade deficit (which is a testimony to UK failure) in a post Brexit world and instead focus on how we're going to morph in to a glorious centre of global free trade, all the while pathetically bigging up potential trade deals with New Zealand and Australia.

Leavers cheer on the government when they threaten to turn this Island in to an offshore tax haven without thinking through what the implications of that would be for ordinary men and women. Leavers applaud a bonfire of red tape without understanding what that red tape is and how in many respects it protects workers from a legion of Mike Ashleys

Leavers castigate the SNP for agitating for a referendum when it was their decision to leave that opened up this political opportunity for the Scottish nationalists, perversely many leavers on here seem to welcome the idea of a break up of the United Kingdom.

The decision to leave has also opened up the very real prospect of a united Ireland, but leavers don't seem to care about that either.

The leave decision has carved up regional divisions, divisions between city and countryside and perhaps most disastrous of all a gap between young and old.

You might say this is typical remoaner pessimism and you might be right, but it is a least facts based pessimism.

All I see from leavers in here is petty reactionary nonsense, no optimism based in facts just a hotchpotch of Europhobic nonsense and a triumphalist "we won, you lost, fuck off". Against that backdrop you're right, I do look down on the leavers, not because I occupy some delusional high ground but because I'm grounded in a facts based world and too many leavers in here are in a gutter of bullshit and jingoism and seem intent on dragging me and others down with them.

That is why there's no love lost, that is why there's no healing, no national will, no coming together, that is why accusations that remoaners are hoping for a bad outcome from these negotiations is bullshit. Remainers are not hoping for a bad outcome, they know there will be a bad outcome, because the facts tell us there is not the slightest possibility of a good outcome, only least worst.

But there I go again, talking my nation down and on and on it goes.
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how old are you?
 
Magicpole said:
A lot of kettles on here today.

Must be Kettle Tuesday, the day selective retentionists make definitive statements devoid of any introspection or self awareness whatsoever.

It's a two way street.
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I look forward to going on the scottish independence thread and reading your pearls of wisdom fully backed up with solid facts, rather than misplaced optimism. :-)
 
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Magicpole said:
I don't live in an ivory tower. I know we lost. I know we have to deal with the consequences.

The problem I have is the failure of people to see the consequences and accept that it might be terrible.

It might not. If it isn't I will be the first to put my hands up.

Equally, if it goes south then I will be quick to say, we fucking told you.

Your vision to me is too simplistic and hazard free. I just don't see that transpiring.
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And all the predictions of doom and gloom pre vote how have they transpired for you since. How did you find the emergency budget? I checked your posting history out and you believed nearly all of them didnt you?
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
And all the predictions of doom and gloom pre vote how have they transpired for you since. How did you find the emergency budget? I checked your posting history out and you believed nearly all of them didnt you?
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You may be surprised to hear that I was totally opposed to Project Fear.

Up here we focussed on what we thought was good, never forgetting that it needed improving, but all the scares I never got involved with.

It has now happened and I have always said I think we are in for a torrid time. I'm keen that proper scrutiny of the deal sought is undertaken to ensure its the best we can get.

That we will face real structural difficulties, unless we find a wand, is a cert.
 
smudgedj said:
I look forward to going on the scottish independence thread and reading your pearls of wisdom fully backed up with solid facts, rather than misplaced optimism. :-)
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Haha spot on. Just a tad hypocritical. Little old Scotland can go it alone and obviously pick the bits of the union it wants to keep but big bad nasty UK isnt good enough to do the same. Lol

As my teenage daughters would say. Owned
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Haha spot on. Just a tad hypocritical. Little old Scotland can go it alone and obviously pick the bits of the union it wants to keep but big bad nasty UK isnt good enough to do the same. Lol

As my teenage daughters would say. Owned
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Not really go it alone if they are going to win a referendum it they can only do it with winning votes from those that want to remain EU members but voted no last time. And in my opinion without some assurance of some kind of EU membership there won't even be a referendum, because the SNP know that as well.
 
Magicpole said:
You may be surprised to hear that I was totally opposed to Project Fear.

Up here we focussed on what we thought was good, never forgetting that it needed improving, but all the scares I never got involved with.

It has now happened and I have always said I think we are in for a torrid time. I'm keen that proper scrutiny of the deal sought is undertaken to ensure its the best we can get.

That we will face real structural difficulties, unless we find a wand, is a cert.
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But you believed the doom and gloom. ! You and so many other gullible people fell for the lies and it just didnt happen. The UK is doing very well. I firmly believe it will continue to do so. You on the other hand are desparate for it to fail so firstly you can get another vote for Scottish independence and secondly come on here and tell us we were all wrong as you just said you would. You see no positives at all. Its pretty pathetic stuff really.
 
blueparrot said:
Not really go it alone if they are going to win a referendum it they can only do it with winning votes from those that want to remain EU members but voted no last time. And in my opinion without some assurance of some kind of EU membership there won't even be a referendum, because the SNP know that as well.
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You missed the point, i wasnt talking about the chances of a second ref. Just mps justification and optimism as to how well they would do on their own compared to his 180 degree stance on the uk.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Haha spot on. Just a tad hypocritical. Little old Scotland can go it alone and obviously pick the bits of the union it wants to keep but big bad nasty UK isnt good enough to do the same. Lol

As my teenage daughters would say. Owned
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Owned my arse.

We will only get independence if we get the green light about rejoining. We know that.

Like you, we would choose being skint for a while as a price to run out own affairs.

We think we can survive better in the EU. We might not even win but brexut is too big not to have a vote on after 63% remain.
 
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