Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[Utter bobbins]

Just because a player doesn't play well for a certain team, at a certain time, doesn't make them useless. Bravo is undoubtedly a decent keeper, with excellent passing skills. He's shown that in his career prior to City. He was a solid choice from Pep because he was seen as being able to implement his style of play, pass out from the back etc. The trouble is one mistake has been quickly followed by another. The fans are on his back, the media are on his back and he can't escape it. He might be tough, he might have handled intense South American games and big CL games but he's not coping with the pressure he's getting here.

His leadership is lacking too. Stones would benefit hugely from having a keeper shouting instructions at him and improving his awareness and positioning. We've seen improvement from him, through in a top keeper and centre back partner and he'd improve even further. I don't know what's happened with Bravo, but I do feel for him because he's a lonely man out there. We're all expecting him to make an error and he probably senses that when the ball is about to arrive with him.
Maybe a strong pre-season, a chance to bond further with the team and become more comfortable could help him be stronger next season. I’m soft like that though, and completely understand why most would just want rid.

Bravo was talking all through the Hull game

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Why do people point to his caps as evidence of him being a quality goalkeeper? is there another professional Chilliean keeper that plays outside of Chile? Their 2nd and 3rd choices both play for Universidad da Chile

Bravo is their captain ahead of the likes of Sanchez and Vidal and has been a vital player who has put in standout performances in two cup finals (as well as being named in the team of the tournament) where he effectively won the trophies with terrific performances in two penalty shootouts.

Those caps have been well earned.

 

[Bill]

Bravo is their captain ahead of the likes of Sanchez and Vidal and has been a vital player who has put in standout performances in two cup finals (as well as being named in the team of the tournament) where he effectively won the trophies with terrific performances in two penalty shootouts.

Those caps have been well earned.

its a weird one isn't it. obviously much better than he is showing here. it has to be his home life, he can't be happy or settled imo. sadly we can't accommodate that. he has been gash and there is no glossing over that, of course he could have a terrific pre season and come back all singing and dancing but as someone else said we simply cannot risk it. would I keep him as a number two? no is the answer. if he is unhappy pay the lad off and let him go home.

before Wembley if poss :)

 

[Rolee]

its a weird one isn't it. obviously much better than he is showing here. it has to be his home life, he can't be happy or settled imo. sadly we can't accommodate that. he has been gash and there is no glossing over that, of course he could have a terrific pre season and come back all singing and dancing but as someone else said we simply cannot risk it. would I keep him as a number two? no is the answer. if he is unhappy pay the lad off and let him go home.

before Wembley if poss :)

Just a thought Bill but perhaps if he wasn't treated like a pariah from day one we may have helped him settle.

 

[Bill]

Just a thought Bill but perhaps if he wasn't treated like a pariah from day one we may have helped him settle.

he dropped the ball at the feet of a rag forward.

he dug his own grave.

that said it was a terrible decision to blood him there.

 

[Rolee]

he dropped the ball at the feet of a rag forward.

he dug his own grave.

that said it was a terrible decision to blood him there.

I'm sorry Bill but that's just pathetic. An error on his debut thanks in part to a defender not leaving the ball when he clearly shouted for it justifies him being treated like a pariah?

 

[Tugay One Cup]

its a weird one isn't it. obviously much better than he is showing here. it has to be his home life, he can't be happy or settled imo. sadly we can't accommodate that. he has been gash and there is no glossing over that, of course he could have a terrific pre season and come back all singing and dancing but as someone else said we simply cannot risk it. would I keep him as a number two? no is the answer. if he is unhappy pay the lad off and let him go home.

before Wembley if poss :)

On the one hand I want him to stay as backup in the hope that he'd turn it around in a cup game or two and become the the kind of cult figure Willy has become. On the other hand I thought this would be a short term run of bad form and over by Christmas but that was quite evidently wrong.

He has one attribute (I won't mention which one because it's become a bit of a dirty word around here) in which he ranks arguably as the best in the world. If his other attributes got back to being at least average then we'd really see the benefits of having him in the team. However, his continual inability to make at least one close range save makes me question whether it's just nerves or if his reflexes have just gone. Games are won on fine margins and those have been going against him too consistently.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

I can understand people fighting his corner but if we're honest, it hasn't worked. One of the best with the ball at his feet, if he makes people nervous in those situations, that's their problem. But for all his qualities with the ball, you have to keep it out and as mush as Pep likes a build-up keeper I don't recall him saying that goalkeeping is unimportant. Off the top of my head, i can only think of one save that impressed me, low to his left against Everton I think.

Most people seem to believe he'll be here next season and contractually it's likely. I don't think we'll fire him but have a feeling he may walk. He needs first team football at his age and he looks like he's struggling mentally.

 

[domalino]

I can understand people fighting his corner but if we're honest, it hasn't worked. One of the best with the ball at his feet, if he makes people nervous in those situations, that's their problem. But for all his qualities with the ball, you have to keep it out and as mush as Pep likes a build-up keeper I don't recall him saying that goalkeeping is unimportant. Off the top of my head, i can only think of one save that impressed me, low to his left against Everton I think.

Most people seem to believe he'll be here next season and contractually it's likely. I don't think we'll fire him but have a feeling he may walk. He needs first team football at his age and he looks like he's struggling mentally.

Since when do 34 year olds need first team football "at their age"? Pretty universally accepted as the latter end of a career, it's the most likely time for a keeper to accept being number 2.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

Since when do 34 year olds need first team football "at their age"? Pretty universally accepted as the latter end of a career, it's the most likely time for a keeper to accept being number 2.

He may well accept it. Can't see it was the plan when he upped sticks and took the job though. It's not as if he didn't have a nice life at Barca, getting plenty of first team football...to this. Probably has 5 years left of top football in him. Yeah, I'd say it's unlikely him being happy as a number 2.

 

[Bill]

I can understand people fighting his corner but if we're honest, it hasn't worked. One of the best with the ball at his feet, if he makes people nervous in those situations, that's their problem. But for all his qualities with the ball, you have to keep it out and as mush as Pep likes a build-up keeper I don't recall him saying that goalkeeping is unimportant. Off the top of my head, i can only think of one save that impressed me, low to his left against Everton I think.

Most people seem to believe he'll be here next season and contractually it's likely. I don't think we'll fire him but have a feeling he may walk. He needs first team football at his age and he looks like he's struggling mentally.

good post.

 

[domalino]

I'm sorry Bill but that's just pathetic. An error on his debut thanks in part to a defender not leaving the ball when he clearly shouted for it justifies him being treated like a pariah?

It's complete bollocks as well because people were at his throat before he even arrived.

 

[Rolee]

It's complete bollocks as well because people were at his throat before he even arrived.

True but a lot more dissenting voices did join the rabble following that game. It's sad really, if it had been against anyone else the reaction wouldn't have been half as bad, sadly it's down to a rag inferiority complex that exists amongst some Blues.

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

It's complete bollocks as well because people were at his throat before he even arrived.

There was some concern that the manager may have made an error of judgment in letting our established goalkeeper go for an unproven prem goalkeeper but at his throat? The vast majority of 'normal' fans wanted him to do well.

 

[domalino]

There was some concern that the manager may have made an error of judgment in letting our established goalkeeper go for an unproven prem goalkeeper but at his throat? The vast majority of 'normal' fans wanted him to do well.

No, there wasn't concern, there was an atmosphere of "This c*nt better be fucking flawless or else". A large segment of the fans were desperate for an opportunity to moan about Guardiola getting rid of Hart, they couldn't wait, and whether his mistake had come in the united game, or 2 months down the line, some members of this forum were salivating at the idea of him cocking up, backed up by the same "this foreign passing out from the back lark aint for me, what's wrong with defenders who just lump it into row z" attitude that already existed.

The old Bravo thread has been taken down but you could see it in the comments before his debut, he was already on the chopping block before the United game, and afterwards you'd think we'd lost the game because of him, not put in one of the most dominant displays in years at the swamp - a game which would have been 4 or 5 if not for some laughably bad finishing from the front 4.

 

[mancityvstoke]

I think most weren't happy because they couldnt understand why Joe Hart had to go.

Then when Bravo began making mistakes and the match day attending crowd became concerned. It was bound to happen.

What did you expect?

Oh yeah bye Joe...welcome Bravo?

Then oh look he can't save ......... common sense tells you that not many will warm to that no matter what PEP GUARDIOLA says or thinks

 

[The slaughtered lamb]

No, there wasn't concern, there was an atmosphere of "This c*nt better be fucking flawless or else". A large segment of the fans were desperate for an opportunity to moan about Guardiola getting rid of Hart, they couldn't wait.

The old Bravo thread has been taken down but you could see it in the comments before his debut, he was already on the chopping block before the United game, and afterwards you'd think we'd lost the game because of him, not put in one of the most dominant displays in years.

Well, I suppose that depends on how you perceive some of the comments. It's sometimes best to take some of the shite you read on t'internet with a pinch of salt. What we can say now though, looking back on the facts of his actual performances, is that it hasn't gone as well as we/he might have liked. I don't know what's going on in his head but the amateur psychologist in me says he wants out and if Pep opened the door, he'd happily walk through it.

 

[Rolee]

I think most weren't happy because they couldnt understand why Joe Hart had to go.

Then when Bravo began making mistakes and the match day attending crowd became concerned. It was bound to happen.

What did you expect?

Oh yeah bye Joe...welcome Bravo?

Then oh look he can't save ......... common sense tells you that not many will warm to that no matter what PEP GUARDIOLA says or thinks

1 mistake on his debut doesn't justify the groans and grumbles from the crowd that he was met with every time the ball was passed back to him in his first few games at home.

He had performed pretty well in his games after that against BMG, Spurs away, Swansea away but then when he came back to the Etihad he was faced with derision from a section of City fans.

 

[mancityvstoke]

1 mistake on his debut doesn't justify the groans and grumbles from the crowd that he was met with every time the ball was passed back to him in his first few games at home.

He had performed pretty well in his games after that against BMG, Spurs away, Swansea away but then when he came back to the Etihad he was faced with derision from a section of City fans.

was he fuck...where do you sit?

 

[Rolee]

was he fuck...where do you sit?

At the Southampton game I was East Stand level 2 close to South Stand.

In a similar spot for the Monaco game and South Stand for both West Ham and Watford.

Not that any of that is relevant as the crowd is clearly audible on TV.