Claudio Bravo - 2016/2017 performances (continued)

[Don Karleone]

It was a heavy touch and a mistake but he recovered well and it was never a penalty.

 

[Rolee]

Of course a heavy touch is a mistake. What else is it - let's just sell our midfield and buy a non league midfield that can't trap a bag of cement on that basis. It was 100 percent an error

Fair enough, you're right. What gets me though is you see heavy touches from players all the time, I guess as a keeper you don't get the same leeway for this particular type of mistake as others.

 

[Rolee]

Tbf it really is mistake, he didn't intend to try and trap it 6 feet away and let Rooney have a sniff, not sure how you stand on his two footed lunge on the twat mistake or not ? I thought we were lucky to get away with it myself.

Two footed?

 

[Blue Hefner]

A very very very poor one.

Not really. He keeps the ball very, very well. If a better shot stopper was in net, who frequently gave the ball away(Cech, Hart for example) then we would face more shots and potentially let even more goals in

 

[bluealf]

Two footed?

Was it not two footed, ah well it was months and months ago, should we call it a lunge on Rooney then ?

Just looked at a video of it, you are right it was just a one foot lunge with the other off the ground but curled up.

Still given the refs tendencies to give the rags easy pens, it is still amazing that it wasn't a pen and a red card.

 

[bluealf]

Not really. He keeps the ball very, very well. If a better shot stopper was in net, who frequently gave the ball away(Cech, Hart for example) then we would face more shots and potentially let even more goals in

Jesus, really, is this the best you can do in his defence.

It is okay if he lets every shot in as long as we keep the shots down to an absolute minimum lol

 

[Rolee]

Was it not two footed, ah well it was months and months ago, should we call it a lunge on Rooney then ?

Maybe, it's debatable I guess but then it's so inconsistent from refs these days it's difficult to say one way or the other.

For me it's a perfectly good challenge.

 

[bluealf]

Maybe, it's debatable I guess but then it's so inconsistent from refs these days it's difficult to say one way or the other.

For me it's a perfectly good challenge.

Oh don't get me wrong I don't for one moment think it was either but then I am old school, it was rash given the circumstances is all.

The bad touch elicited the next incident and could have proved disastrous, tbh it was a shame as for the first 41 minutes he looked everything Pep wanted, we dominated utd totally but then the mistake/misunderstanding with Stones and his confidence disappeared and let's be honest never came back again.

41 minutes of near perfection, if only we could finish but that is an argument for another thread :)

 

[edinburgh123]

Fair enough, you're right. What gets me though is you see heavy touches from players all the time, I guess as a keeper you don't get the same leeway for this particular type of mistake as others.

No - that point is absolutely valid and the more we ping it at him the more mistakes he will make (as will anyone) unfortunately last line of defence makes it more obvious. But ultimately it was still an error

 

[mosssideblue]

Jesus, really, is this the best you can do in his defence.

It is okay if he lets every shot in as long as we keep the shots down to an absolute minimum lol

He does have a valid point though. You might not agree which is fine, but he is right to point out that giving the ball away needelessly through the good old hoof, would invite more pressure which is now not our style of play

 

[Blue Hefner]

Jesus, really, is this the best you can do in his defence.

It is okay if he lets every shot in as long as we keep the shots down to an absolute minimum lol

It is clearly a compromise that the manager has made. Which ever way you look at it, we do not concede many shots on our goal. That has a lot to do with the possession football we play - now, of course I would have hoped/expected Bravo to make saves but, equally, you would expect our strikers/midfield payers to put the ball away

 

[schfc6]

Pep and Pizzi for two. Enrique as well probably.

But Merson doesn't...

 

[schfc6]

Bravo was talking all through the Hull game

That gets ignored because he's not all red faced and screaming when he shouts.
I've said it several times, I sit in block 130 and you can clearly hear him.

 

[schfc6]

No, there wasn't concern, there was an atmosphere of "This c*nt better be fucking flawless or else". A large segment of the fans were desperate for an opportunity to moan about Guardiola getting rid of Hart, they couldn't wait, and whether his mistake had come in the united game, or 2 months down the line, some members of this forum were salivating at the idea of him cocking up, backed up by the same "this foreign passing out from the back lark aint for me, what's wrong with defenders who just lump it into row z" attitude that already existed.

The old Bravo thread has been taken down but you could see it in the comments before his debut, he was already on the chopping block before the United game, and afterwards you'd think we'd lost the game because of him, not put in one of the most dominant displays in years at the swamp - a game which would have been 4 or 5 if not for some laughably bad finishing from the front 4.

Paul Merson was writing him off before he signed and the 'I prefer a keeper who can catch' mantra was born before Bravo had even signed.
The stop pissing around at the back mantra is strong amongst many City fans.

Bravo has had poor form in terms of shot stopping since he arrived. Although he's actually had some very good games.
Many City fans wanted an elite top 5 in the World keeper to replace Hart, we signed a universally recognised top 5 keeper but he's struggled.
Some just don't like change.

Bravo has struggled but even if he hadn't and had been decent, some fans would still slate him.

 

[schfc6]

most groaning was at the ref or defence

Fans will moan if obvious errors are made

Why not? Fans are human not fucking robots.
What I'm saying is that SECTIONS of City fans did not aim booing directly at Bravo in numbers.

Certainly not from where I sit.

Sorry but there were audible groans in the build up to our second goal Saturday.

 

[SWP's back]

Who in the game rate him? most laugh

Well he was voted in the top five keepers in the world not ten months ago by his peers.

So I'd assume a few people....

 

[i kne albert davy]

Well he was voted in the top five keepers in the world not ten months ago by his peers.

So I'd assume a few people....

I think he may well have dropped out of that bracket now.

 

[domalino]

Sorry but there were audible groans in the build up to our second goal Saturday.

My dad said there were audible groans when the ball went back to bravo for the second time in that move...ball was in the net 40 seconds later.

Some people just don't get it and don't want to get it.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

I think he may well have dropped out of that bracket now.

Regardless, the comment he replied to was silly and evidently incorrect.

 

[domalino]

I think he may well have dropped out of that bracket now.

But you sign a player as he is at the time you sign him.

If we signed Neuer but he turned to shite when he arrived, would it have been a mistake to buy him?