That's because it's a crock of shite from a guy with an agenda who's never got his hands dirty in his life.Low paid jobs usually remain low paid jobs especially on the hospitality side because believe it or not if it gets too expensive people don't use it. Young people will always travel for work guess what though once we leave the EU we will at least have a measure of control on numbers.Do you ever post to the point? What is with you guys? The hospitality industry is notorious for low pay because it's low skilled and gets away with paying low wages because it has an ocean of immigrants to choose from, same in agriculture and in the building industry. This ocean of immigrants was the reason so many voted leave because there is a mountain of evidence to suggest that immigrant labour drives down wages for those Brits at the bottom of the wrung. Brexit promised an end to this cycle, a points based system which would free up the low skilled jobs for low skilled Brits and would have an upward pull on wages.
Your reply is to disparage the appearance of the guy who tweeted it.
Grow up.
Why are we leaving then?
My question was specifically directed to comments made by Light was yellow, but thank you for the interest shown in my post.I heard there was a referendum a while back, do keep up
My question was specifically directed to comments made by Light was yellow, but thank you for the interest shown in my post.
While you're there please feel free to accept the Len Rum challenge to Brexiters set out above.
Please stop being a wanker. It's a fact that London relies on imported (virtualy) slave labour. If you can explain how anyone can live a decent life on minimum wage there I'm sure we'd all be interested to hear it.Twist and turn, twist and turn, you're having your win pissed on and so you have a swipe at the metropolitan elite. I could have posted the link from the Guardian, the Sun, The New Statesman or any number of other sites, your response would have been the same.
When this government does the same for agriculture and the building industry might we expect some pithy comment about "get orf my land" or builders bum? I can't wait.
That's because it's a crock of shite from a guy with an agenda who's never got his hands dirty in his life.Low paid jobs usually remain low paid jobs especially on the hospitality side because believe it or not if it gets too expensive people don't use it. Young people will always travel for work guess what though once we leave the EU we will at least have a measure of control on numbers.
Ok that is 'quite simple', but I was more interested in your view of the what the post Brexit deal should be.In quite simple terms
Giving the British people the ability to vote out politicians who make poor decisions.
It's a fact that London relies on imported (virtualy) slave labour.
Simple for me Len. Leave the EU. Stop paying into it, and stop being governed by it.Hi albert and Helmet the Len Rum invitation to Brexiters to be more specific about what they want from the final deal ( red lines that shouldn't be crossed etc etc) as spelt out in my post to Banjani a few posts higher up is open to you as well.
Don't be shy, come on guys you can do it if you try!
Simple for me Len. Leave the EU. Stop paying into it, and stop being governed by it.
I actually accept that we need lots of EU and non EU immigrants so this isn't so much of an issue for me personally, although I would like to see some sort of points and vetting system and a restriction on benefits entitlement until a certain qualifying period /contribution to tax and NI has been reached.
Ok that is 'quite simple', but I was more interested in your view of the what the post Brexit deal should be.
Cheers Helmet , the first Brexiter to reply.Simple for me Len. Leave the EU. Stop paying into it, and stop being governed by it.
I actually accept that we need lots of EU and non EU immigrants so this isn't so much of an issue for me personally, although I would like to see some sort of points and vetting system and a restriction on benefits entitlement until a certain qualifying period /contribution to tax and NI has been reached.
Hi albert and Helmet the Len Rum invitation to Brexiters to be more specific about what they want from the final deal ( red lines that shouldn't be crossed etc etc) as spelt out in my post to Banjani a few posts higher up is open to you as well.
Don't be shy, come on guys you can do it if you try!
Michael Fallon? I know he was a reMAYner but I think he's towing the Government line now.That question is why this thread and the endless debate on hard and soft brexit is pointless. We can only get as much as the other countries are willing to give us and no one knows what that is. While the Europeans are playing the game correctly our politicians and a very few remainers are fucking things up through plain stupidity or are playing their own game like fallon.
Ay Thang Yaw also sir ( that was Arthur's pronunciation).That's easy Len, what wasn't spelt out and that's why you lost was the enormous benefits of being in the eu.
What I want is:
Sovereignty returned so that we can hold our MPs accountable for their actions
Not paying into a beuracracy which means money my taxes pay go to other countries when there are people and areas of the uk that need this money, never mind uk public services which could do with a few bob.
An ability to control and dictate our own foreign and economic policy and deals.
A controlled immigration that treats everyone in the world fairly and allows the control and entry of people we need to make our economy better .
A rebalancing of the uk economy so that it's not all about London being the financial services centre of Europe, the uk needs to rebalance and become less London centric.
A smooth exit , with not too harsh an economic impact (accepting there may be a transition both here and in Europe )
A friendly cordial mutually beneficial trading agreement with our European partners.
I thank you....
Ay Thang Yaw also sir ( that was Arthur's pronunciation).
For me no impact on economic well being is a red line - we should be no worse off post Brexit. Also there should be no reduction in workers rights, national security, standards,environment etc.
There is a distinct possibility we may have to pay a handsome wedge to the EU to get a comprehensive trade deal. Assume you would be prepared to walk if this was a sticking point in negotiations.
'Controlling' immigration does seem to be the new buzz word. A lot of leavers will feel betrayed by Brexit if immigration is not reduced to 'the tens of thousands' as promised.
Don't agree with paying an annual wedge to trade. That is the sort of thing the Italian Mafia impose on Grocers in the Godfather films and I'm not sure it would be legal. Tbh all the EU and ECJ rulings are probably things we'd have to comply with for exports just as we have to meet the safety standards of any other nation we trade with. Ironically the repeal bill will see all of this adopted initially as UK law anyway. ECJ rulings on other stuff can get back in the sea though.Cheers Helmet , the first Brexiter to reply.
What if your red lines were crossed and in order to get a comprehensive trade deal we had to pay an annual wedge to the EU and accept ECJ rulings on standards,trade and commerce ( without which you can't trade with them)? I know it's hypothetical at this stage but it's not an unlikely scenario.
PS I think your points and vetting immigration system has been already rejected by the reMAYner. Do you think the Govt will get away with controlling rather than reducing immigration? ' Tens of thousands' is still official government policy.
Then you may have a red line to cross because the ECJ is about more than standards. It covers all aspects of trade and commerce ranging from things like state aid ,dumping ( so to speak), intellectual property rights and so on and so forth.Don't agree with paying an annual wedge to trade. That is the sort of thing the Italian Mafia impose on Grocers in the Godfather films and I'm not sure it would be legal. Tbh all the EU and ECJ rulings are probably things we'd have to comply with for exports just as we have to meet the safety standards of any other nation we trade with. Ironically the repeal bill will see all of this adopted initially as UK law anyway. ECJ rulings on other stuff can get back in the sea though.
I think UK Counterterrorism policy will probably end up being the driver of immigration control and vetting.
Then do it you pompous windbag.