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domalino said:
I disagree, it's still only playing 3 of the 5.

I really just think he's gotten used to having incredible depth, and he wants 1 or 2 game changers on the bench. He's not going to try and fit them all into one formation, IMO. I may be proven wrong, but Pep enjoys control too much to play 4 forwards like that.
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Its not though. I know you think it is too attacking but a front 3 of Jesus, Mbappe, and Sanchez and a midfield four of Sane, Sterling, Carvalho, and Silva is a real possibility under Pep.

Add to that, I think Pep's statement that he didn't play them as wingbacks is semantics. If he played a back three with no fullbacks and did play two wingers; they by definition would play as wingbacks even if they were called wingers. Sane was constantly coming back to defend against Everton in October.
 
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argyle said:
So from the hints from Tolmie and the line ups people are posting it seems we're only getting 3 new starting players - Ederson, Bonucci and Sanchez?

No fullbacks or defensive midfielders? Think we need 2 fullbacks and 2 defensive midfielders as both Yaya and Fernandinho are ageing.

From the lineups it looks exciting going forward but as soon as we lose the ball we'll get dicked in midfield again.
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The 3 names you mention seem to be genuine targets but I think we can expect at least another 4 on top of that. Some on the fhe forum got a bit carried away picking fantasy teams with 7 attacking players for some reason.
 
Didn't want to start a new thread but CW tweeted the other day we were looking at Corentin Tolisso. Superb for Lyon today. Sounds Juve bound though, frustratingly enough.
 
GK, FB's, and a CB are absolute priorities first and foremost.

If we don't sort those positions out this summer you can have Messi and Ronaldo added to the attack, we still won't win anything.
 
cadds92 said:
GK, FB's, and a CB are absolute priorities first and foremost.

If we don't sort those positions out this summer you can have Messi and Ronaldo added to the attack, we still won't win anything.
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Well, we probably would because we'd actually score from the chances we create!
 
argyle said:
So from the hints from Tolmie and the line ups people are posting it seems we're only getting 3 new starting players - Ederson, Bonucci and Sanchez?

No fullbacks or defensive midfielders? Think we need 2 fullbacks and 2 defensive midfielders as both Yaya and Fernandinho are ageing.

From the lineups it looks exciting going forward but as soon as we lose the ball we'll get dicked in midfield again.
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Only one of those 3 mentioned is a cert, you can guess who...

We'll also spend more on what is needed, 2xfullbacks, 1xcb, 1xcm

Any attacker is a replacement and won't be out of our pockets, so to speak!!!
 
Andouble said:
Didn't want to start a new thread but CW tweeted the other day we were looking at Corentin Tolisso. Superb for Lyon today. Sounds Juve bound though, frustratingly enough.
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Fantastic player and hope the links are true. Versatile, tenacious and potentially world class. But if he was to come, who's place he would take? Fernandinho would be my guess but doubt he'll be out the door.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Could it work?

.......EDERSON......

.......OTAMENDI....STONES......BONUCCI.....

STERLING....................................SANE....

............DE BRUYNE........SILVA........

.......................SANCHEZ..............

...........MBAPPE.....................JESUS.........
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Sterling and Sane as full backs ???
I like this Eleven but I think we 'll have several defending problems. Espexially without a Real DMF
 
Man City Gr said:
Sterling and Sane as full backs ???
I like this Eleven but I think we 'll have several defending problems. Espexially without a Real DMF
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It's fitting 11 players in rather than the most productive... for that system to work you need two able wing backs, I don't personally see Sterling being able to do it and you'd literally run the pair of them in to the ground by Xmas...

Sterling and sane, when having solid fullbacks behind them, will because me the most productive wide men in Europe, you play to players strenghts which is undoubtedly the last 3rd of the pitch for both...
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
It's fitting 11 players in rather than the most productive... for that system to work you need two able wing backs, I don't personally see Sterling being able to do it and you'd literally run the pair of them in to the ground by Xmas...

Sterling and sane, when having solid fullbacks behind them, will because me the most productive wide men in Europe, you play to players strenghts which is undoubtedly the last 3rd of the pitch for both...
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I think Sane could be an amazing fullback/wingback, but you don't reward the kind of performances he's turned in recently & the goals he's scored, by pushing him out of position.

Plus, a front 3 for example Jesus, Sane, Mbappe are all lightning fast & can all swap position, so Sane could find himself at cf on occasion & he's shown he can score through the middle. Imo, like Ronaldo, he'll score more & more breaking down the centre.

The kind of players we are bringing through upfront, could play in almost any system, under any kind of manager, with the right men behind them, & terrify any defence.
 
Neville Kneville said:
I think Sane could be an amazing fullback/wingback, but you don't reward the kind of performances he's turned in recently & the goals he's scored, by pushing him out of position.

Plus, a front 3 for example Jesus, Sane, Mbappe are all lightning fast & can all swap position, so Sane could find himself at cf on occasion & he's shown he can score through the middle. Imo, like Ronaldo, he'll score more & more breaking down the centre.

The kind of players we are bringing through upfront, could play in almost any system, under any kind of manager, with the right men behind them, & terrify any defence.
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But he is, by nature essentially playing a wingback each game. I'm not a stat guy but I reckon there's stats to back this up. He seems to constantly be making key tackles and interceptions in that area then countering.

Call him what we like, but right now he's doing both jobs and doing them amazingly.

I cannot wait to see how he enjoys that nice big pitch at Wembley :-)
 
domalino said:
Almost impossible to say, we don't really know how much we're making, how much the contracts of leaving players will save us etc.
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The out of contract players are costing us around £30m a year in amortisation and wages. Our revenue won't be up this season as our CL earnings will be down so add that to our spending from last year and that'll give a fair idea of the budget before sales.
 
aguero93:20 said:
The out of contract players are costing us around £30m a year in amortisation and wages. Our revenue won't be up this season as our CL earnings will be down so add that to our spending from last year and that'll give a fair idea of the budget before sales.
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But we don't know what the budget was last year, we bid £40m for Mbappé and £50m for Bonucci when we'd already spent £150m. You also can't just act like we're getting an extra £30m from 6 players salaries because we're going to probably match those salaries with incoming players, as for amortisation, isn't the whole point that by the time their contract expires amortisation goes to 0, so we'll not recoup a benefit from them, only from the likes of Manga & Hart. I'd be surprised if the wage bill went down at all this summer.
 
domalino said:
But we don't know what the budget was last year, we bid £40m for Mbappé and £50m for Bonucci when we'd already spent £150m. You also can't just act like we're getting an extra £30m from 6 players salaries because we're going to probably match those salaries with incoming players, as for amortisation, isn't the whole point that by the time their contract expires amortisation goes to 0, so we'll not recoup a benefit from them, only from the likes of Manga & Hart. I'd be surprised if the wage bill went down at all this summer.
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Amortisation will go to 0 yes. So there's about 5m in costs this season that will be 0 next season, giving us more to spend, an extra 25m if we're handing out 5 year deals. We've also got an extra 25m on the wage bill, plus the 5m the PL FFPR allows us, plus any rise in commercial income.
I'm not convinced that the Mbappe and Bonucci money wasn't spent on Sané and Stones. The amounts ended up very similar and it's like Txiki to go for more than one target in the same position and see what shifts.
 
domalino said:
But we don't know what the budget was last year, we bid £40m for Mbappé and £50m for Bonucci when we'd already spent £150m. You also can't just act like we're getting an extra £30m from 6 players salaries because we're going to probably match those salaries with incoming players, as for amortisation, isn't the whole point that by the time their contract expires amortisation goes to 0, so we'll not recoup a benefit from them, only from the likes of Manga & Hart. I'd be surprised if the wage bill went down at all this summer.
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you seem to panic a lot mate?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Amortisation will go to 0 yes. So there's about 5m in costs this season that will be 0 next season, giving us more to spend, an extra 25m if we're handing out 5 year deals. We've also got an extra 25m on the wage bill, plus the 5m the PL FFPR allows us, plus any rise in commercial income.
I'm not convinced that the Mbappe and Bonucci money wasn't spent on Sané and Stones. The amounts ended up very similar and it's like Txiki to go for more than one target in the same position and see what shifts.
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I'm pretty sure TH has said otherwise with regards to the Bonucci and Mbappé money.
 
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