General Election June 8th

[purplenose]

I'm of the view that change is necessary. Labour are not likely to be a competent government. But " competent" within the confines of the present system is just more of the same and that equates to a collapsing NHS, chronically underfunded social care and real poverty for millions of people. I see the effects of the cosy system of politics Britain's M.Ps have made for themselves everyday and this government, like the one before it, are basically liars denying it is happening.

Corbyn is an idealist. I don't agree with a lot of what he says, but he is right about some things and he has principles. That's just about unique in politics and he will fuck over the status quo. So he gets my vote.

I cannot argue with most of that, I am as far from being a Tory as you can imagine, the fact I am going to vote for them astonishes me.

The fact that Corbyn flags up all those issues that you and I agree with sadly doesnt make him the answer to those things. The sad truth is he and his party are a shambles and un-electable a term of Corbyn would have the place on the road to being third world.

As unpalatable as it may be there is really no credible alternative to the Tories and it is hard to see a point in the short term that will change.

 

[Ricster]

Why is he the "change the country needs"? I keep hearing this, but haven't seen any evidence other than him saying he'll do things differently.

Because we've had the same style of Leaders since I can remember. That's what people mean by the country needs a change unless you're a lover of war, hate and division between mankind, then I'm guessing those people are quite happy with the way things are.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I'm voting Labour because if rumours are true we're having a decent MP here.

If that wasn't an issue I'd vote Tory because I think they'd get us a better deal from Brussels.

My prediction is that the Tories will storm the election in a landslide.

I also haven't been right about an election since about 2001.

I've got a fairly good track record: pretty much predicted the outcome of the last two general elections and my call is that Labour are going to get annihilated. The sort of pounding from which they will never recover. Time for a shake-up of the political landscape. It's insane that the two biggest parties have been pretty much the same for over a hundred years. How can that be good for democracy?

 

[urban genie]

I cannot argue with most of that, I am as far from being a Tory as you can imagine, the fact I am going to vote for them astonishes me.

The fact that Corbyn flags up all those issues that you and I agree with sadly doesnt make him the answer to those things. The sad truth is he and his party are a shambles and un-electable a term of Corbyn would have the place on the road to being third world.

As unpalatable as it may be there is really no credible alternative to the Tories and it is hard to see a point in the short term that will change.

We are at 2nd world standards on most things now under the tories, and we are the 5th richest economy in the world.
Despit your lack of faith in jezza (and he is one person our country runs on a party deciding it's future, not a person) you think that a change in direction to a more optomistic future of investing in peoples futures rather than stealing them with cuts and division that we have now is not a better alternative than the shite we have in charge now.

The pledges the labour party is putting forward and your MP is what you vote for not the person in charge.

 

[Ric]

I've got a fairly good track record: pretty much predicted the outcome of the last two general elections and my call is that Labour are going to get annihilated. The sort of pounding from which they will never recover. Time for a shake-up of the political landscape. It's insane that the two biggest parties have been pretty much the same for over a hundred years. How can that be good for democracy?

I agree that Labour will get trounced in the GE, but I don't think the long term damage will be as severe as you suggest. It would surely lead to Corbyn stepping down, but if a centrist candidate emerged from the ashes then I think they could re-group relatively quickly. If Brexit goes tits up then there will be an opportunity for a moderate Labour to fill the breach in the next 5-10 years.

 

[Corky]

It shows blue moon is full of cling on glory tarquins.

Any one who pretends to be a city fan and votes tory is pathetic beyond belief.

 

[Damocles]

I've got a fairly good track record: pretty much predicted the outcome of the last two general elections and my call is that Labour are going to get annihilated. The sort of pounding from which they will never recover. Time for a shake-up of the political landscape. It's insane that the two biggest parties have been pretty much the same for over a hundred years. How can that be good for democracy?

Well the names above the door don't really mean anything. Both parties have shifted around the spectrum for that time and we've seen flares from others. Many would prefer a PR system of course but we go with the hand we've been dealt.

I've had an on-off relationship with Labour for years and I'm not convinced this current incarnation is electable in any degree. Don't get me wrong, it could have been - Trump's election shows how a ground swell of support for a candidate can lead to big swings. But the problem will always be that instead of uniting behind Corbyn after his original election and using all of that youthful energy they consistently shelled him and cut him down. When the Party leadership is dumber than the US Republicans then we're in trouble.

However, there's enough good people still involved in the Party so that when the rebuild comes in July it will come in strong. I've decided to stick around for a while and see what a post-GE Labour looks like as I imagine it will look much more electable and much more representative. If we had a left wing populist party in this country it would generally sweep elections. Instead we get Labour going after middle class liberals, of which there aren't enough to get them elected, Lib Dems going after the same, the Greens going after the hard left and the Tories sweeping the broad range that's everywhere in between Labour and UKIP.

When we look at Trump and Brexit and Le Pen and what will be this GE massacre, we on the left have to take our share of the blame because we've lost touch with the working classes entirely and became a political ideological filled with academic, elitists and "authoritarian liberals". We've drove people away across the Western world then wondered why we're not electable. And worst of all as Radiohead once sang "you do it to yourself and that's what really hurts".

 

[Ric]

It shows blue moon is full of cling on glory tarquins.

Any one who pretends to be a city fan and votes tory is pathetic beyond belief.

Most opinion polls have the Tories over 20 points ahead, so doesn't this (admittedly small) poll suggest Bluemoon is more left leaning than the country as a whole?

 

[urban genie]

Most opinion polls have the Tories over 20 points ahead, so doesn't this (admittedly small) poll suggest Bluemoon is more left leaning than the country as a whole?

Lets hope so, would be a shame if a club from strong working class roots from gorton, ardwick, moss side, and presently bradford was supported by mainly right wingers, Manchester has centuries of proud history of it's people uniting and fighting for an equal and fair society, not a tory style one.

 

[Blue Whale]

It shows blue moon is full of cling on glory tarquins.

Any one who pretends to be a city fan and votes tory is pathetic beyond belief.

Thank you Corky. You put it better than I ever could.

 

[Blue Whale]

Lets hope so, would be a shame if a club from strong working class roots from gorton, ardwick, moss side, and presently bradford was supported by mainly right wingers, Manchester has centuries of proud history of it's people uniting and fighting for an equal and fair society, not a tory style one.

Top post. Lest we forget. And a timely reminder to those that have.

 

[sir baconface]

Ten months after the referendum and Corbyn hasn't got round to articulating a policy on Brexit. It's almost as important to the country as the last evacuation of Europe but obviously not to him and his rabble. Maybe he needs a couple more years to think about it. Yes, yes, it would be unfair to hurry him.

And people are expected to suck this shit up because they had a working class mother or support City?

It must be pub chucking out time.

Good night all.

 

[Helmet Cole]

I agree that Labour will get trounced in the GE, but I don't think the long term damage will be as severe as you suggest. It would surely lead to Corbyn stepping down, but if a centrist candidate emerged from the ashes then I think they could re-group relatively quickly. If Brexit goes tits up then there will be an opportunity for a moderate Labour to fill the breach in the next 5-10 years.

True. The Tories will have their own in party civil war and become a shambles by the time brexit is done.

It shows blue moon is full of cling on glory tarquins.

Any one who pretends to be a city fan and votes tory is pathetic beyond belief.

Also true, but no one else has been impolite enough to point this out so far you rude ****. ;-)

 

[aguero93:20]

Nice to see the MRL party polling in third so far, hopefully it can keep pulling in the votes.

 

[MCFC1993]

Lets hope so, would be a shame if a club from strong working class roots from gorton, ardwick, moss side, and presently bradford was supported by mainly right wingers, Manchester has centuries of proud history of it's people uniting and fighting for an equal and fair society, not a tory style one.

Top post. Lest we forget. And a timely reminder to those that have.

I'd also like to think that fans of our club and people in general will vote for the party that represents the best chances/choices and decisions for their area and this country for the next 5 years and not just because a party supposedly represents certain values and history has shown that the best party isn't always the same party.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Ten months after the referendum and Corbyn hasn't got round to articulating a policy on Brexit. It's almost as important to the country as the last evacuation of Europe but obviously not to him and his rabble. Maybe he needs a couple more years to think about it. Yes, yes, it would be unfair to hurry him.

And people are expected to suck this shit up because they had a working class mother or support City?

It must be pub chucking out time.

Good night all.

Absolutely hilarious.

Mind you when you think that the tories have spent £700bn to send the country backwards, cannot read their own manifesto, they were happy to hammer people who wanted to improve themselves and have given no coherent plan on Brexit amongst many other things and people still think voting tory is a good idea, you can only laugh.

 

[urban genie]

Ten months after the referendum and Corbyn hasn't got round to articulating a policy on Brexit. It's almost as important to the country as the last evacuation of Europe but obviously not to him and his rabble. Maybe he needs a couple more years to think about it. Yes, yes, it would be unfair to hurry him.

And people are expected to suck this shit up because they had a working class mother or support City?

It must be pub chucking out time.

Good night all.

No policy? so

• negotiate to have access to single market and customs union, but would insist british government could help out failing business by reintroducing state aid and not link this to free movement
• Give british firms first option when bidding for contracts.
• keep existing workers rights laws improving where necessary and human rights law.
• bring forward the 20:1 pay ratio with business who sign up having reduced corporation tax levels.
• link any european imigration to employment status before entry.
• sign deals with regard to border control and security information sharing to ensure that the UK and europe work together to combat any threats
• Not hold a second referendum
• Look into (but not commit to) a federal model for the UK nations to avoid an unwanted break up of the unoin, giving region power to more areas, while promising to use the saved money paid into europe to fill the funding gaps in the regions.
• Has no clear policy you can find to reference on the irish border and gibraltar
• Has not yet set whether they would ask for a phased exit.

All these policies are easy to find online, and have as much detail as the tories,

• Leave the european courts of justice
• leave the single market and customs union
• we may be a tax haven if we don't get what we want, (though this has been now played down)
• we have no deffinate immigration policy at present, that we are telling anybody, bar leaving free movement deal.
• If the EU are difficult with us we may withold security infomation and jeopdise lives in a hissy fit of our own making (though she backtracked on this in another u-turn)
• They haven't mentioned how we will replace local government EU funding
• We will answer any difficult question with 'Brexit means Brexit' and not divulge anything to our own citizens who we are there to serve is a transparent plan.
• Have pledged to make brition the science and technology capital of the world
• will leave single market and custom union then negotiate trade deals worldwide.
• will keep existing workers rights EU laws.
• Keep the union as is.
• fight to keep the soft Irish border

Both have brexit plans and both are ambiguous on some details, both are commited to leaving.

The only fucker to have no plan it that tosspot tim farron, with his we will reverse brexit and say nowt else as we are pinning everything on this bollocks.

 

[SWP's back]

It shows blue moon is full of cling on glory tarquins.

Any one who pretends to be a city fan and votes tory is pathetic beyond belief.

Lol. What a closeted little echo chamber some people live in.

 

[mcfc1632]

Been around since last summer so that angle for change can firmly be discounted,

I think that you are suggesting the reason the election has been called is because of the enquiry into spending by some Tory MPs/constituencies? Am I right to think that if there is fault found that would lead to a need for by-elections in the seats affected?

So lets agree that May is aware of there being a risk with that issue being ongoing, I would think that AC must be also be right with his view that the possibility of a majority of 100 plus seats is a major factor - she would hardly be calling a GE is she felt that she would not gain an increased majority would she?

It will be a calculated decision made because of a number of combined factors.

Surely the most important factor is that there will be a GE in June 2016, in which May, when calling it, has been crystal clear that she is looking to secure an appropriate mandate to have control in the negotiations by being able to mitigate the risks of both the Brexit hard-liners in her own party and the wider machinations that have been occurring at Westminster. If she achieves this she can face of to the EU with a united UK position.

In a representative democracy, if the UK population returns a Conservative government with an increased majority, does that just not blow away address points being made by Salmond, yourself, AC and others and 'reset' the position, with the UK having a definitive position as of June 2017 which has decided by the electorate through the primary democratic process.

If I am right that if fault is found with the MPs under investigation, that would have led to a need for a by-election - well that is surely addressed as well?

Do you not agree that it would essentially render any and all discussions and points being made as to why the GE was called moot?

 

[jay_mcfc]

Ten months after the referendum and Corbyn hasn't got round to articulating a policy on Brexit. It's almost as important to the country as the last evacuation of Europe but obviously not to him and his rabble. Maybe he needs a couple more years to think about it. Yes, yes, it would be unfair to hurry him.

And people are expected to suck this shit up because they had a working class mother or support City?

It must be pub chucking out time.

Good night all.

Did Nigel Farage tell you that?