General Election June 8th

[brass neck]

Its Prime Minister's Questions. It's when she gets questions and theoretically answers them. When Eton Dave was in charge he got questions then he gave the Flashman act back as the pissed yobs behind him rhubarbed away. With Maggie May getting the questions, she sets about not answering them, asks questions back, delivers some rehearsed one liners as the pissed toffs behind her rhubarb away. The Tory speaker doesn't pull the yobs behind her up for being pissed and then does his ego trip to the opposition when they shouting out!

 

[brass neck]

PMSL

"Pro nuclear holocaust, pro killing the disabled..."

I have and never will be a Tory, but fuck me, WTF???

Top rant though. Gave me a giggle and cheered me up after the BullyOFive thread.

Well. Michael Fallon on Sunday said he would press the red button thus ending the world. The Tories have set about pushing the disabled to the edge! Some have killed themselves some have been killed. Tories kill the disabled!

 

[MaineDAWG2008]

My response to a thread with over 100 pages....

VOTE for NONE OF THE ABOVE

3 main parties can suck it .... All have terrible records. It's time to give someone else a go.

Have an infrastructure like they do in the Netherlands. High taxes but a brilliant flawless system. Oh and legalise cannabis whilst taxing it. Will raise over hundreds of millions dollars. Good for economy. Legalise prostitution and tax it. Done

 

[cibaman]

If we crash out with no transition ( or implementation) phase to implement WTO rules then the resulting meltdown to our economy would make a Corbyn led government look like a picnic.
Movement to WTO on phased and planned basis would still be scary. The treasury estimate prior to the referendum was a 7.5% drop in GDP. Despite 'project fear' it doesn't seem unreasonable ( at least in the short term) and surprisingly the Government have not sought to confirm, deny or recalculate. I would still prefer a Corbyn led government to this scenario.
On the wider point of Jez getting elected. His policies are ok, would it really make much difference if he got in? Look what happened with the last three 'electable' PMs prior to the Christian - Cameron ( chaos of the EU ref as an attempt to solve Tory differences), Brown ( financial crisis, unregulated banks), Blair (Iraq). Who knows what will happen with the 'competent' reMAYner, lorries queuing from Dover to Leeds and economy in lockdown?

I agree with your comments on WTO. But eventually, after say 10 years, the economy would adapt and largely recover. And in 10 years time the political climate should have changed so that a hard brexit could be softened.

I really do believe that 5 years of a Corbyn government would be at least as catastrophic as far as the economy is concerned. I agree with a few of his policies,disagree with many, but worse than that I just dont think he's up to the job. I just dont think he would be capable of dealing with "events". And politically it could be even worse. After Labour messed up in the 70's we had 17 years of Tory rule followed by 13 years of Labour rule, neither of which was particularly healthy. Five years of Corbyn could turn us into a one party (Tory) state for decades.

Plus I also think that if Corbyn were to be in charge of the negotiations, even if he goes for a soft Brexit, he would mess it up.

Its a close call, hard brexit or Corbyn, but on balance I'd go for hard brexit.

 

[The perfect fumble]

For those who shoot the messenger, don't bother, for everyone else this is an interesting take on the election....

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...a-may-heir-richard-nixon-election-culture-war

 

[Chippy_boy]

Its a close call, hard brexit or Corbyn, but on balance I'd go for hard brexit.

Theresa May really is a ****. Either that or she'd thick as pig shit, and bearing in mind her litany of cockups since taking over, I don't rule that out.

She's campaigning on a "hard Brexit" ticket, when the referendum vote was 52%-48%. Clearly, none of the 48% want a hard Brexit. And presumably some of the 52% don't want a hard Brexit either, having been promised by the liars that they could keep full and free access to the EU markets and all the EU benefits once we left. So she's unilaterally decided to campaign with a proposition that is probably appealing to LESS than 50% of the electorate. What a total moron.

If she keeps her trap shut, she's got a 20 point lead on Labour and she waltzes in to a massive majority. By overtly campaigning on this hard Brexit ticket, all it will do is narrow her lead so she'll be lucky if she gets a clear majority at all. I suspect the lying cow has been pro-Brexit all along and only said she was pro Remain since at the time, she thought Remain would win and she didn't want to be backing the losing side. That would certainly explain her pathetically inadequate campaigning for Remain and her Brexit-Nazi stance ever since.

I am a passionate Tory supporter and have been all my life, having voted Tory in every general election and local council elections. And at now 56 years of age, for the first time in my life this useless PM has me seriously considering voting for Lib Dem. If Corbyn wasn't such a communist, I might even consider voting for him, but clearly that's out.

If people as right wing as me feel like this, God knows how many votes she's going to lose from Remainers who aren't so committed to voting Tory. I think she's in for one hell of a fright come polling day.

 

[CityStu]

Clearly, none of the 48% want a hard Brexit.

I don't believe this is true. Certainly a majority would prefer a softer Brexit, but I think it's a long way off everybody. A soft Brexit is essentially remaining tied to the EU without having the influence to affect policy. I've seen plenty of comments from former remainers saying that on a choice between that and a hard Brexit, they'd pick hard Brexit.

 

[SWP's back]

. I would still prefer a Corbyn led government to this scenario.

Well knock me down with a feather.

 

[SWP's back]

She's campaigning on a "hard Brexit" ticket, when the referendum vote was 52%-48%. Clearly, none of the 48% want a hard Brexit. And presumably some of the 52% don't want a hard Brexit either

Then Labour are clear favourites surely.

 

[Raheem's On Fire]

Then Labour are clear favourites surely.

You never know. Let's hope so bud

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

It's not a massive assumption to assume that going from a zero barriers trading relationship to a system with taxes, tariffs and customs red tape will have a significant negative impact. I'm not saying it will stop it won't but even a 10% drop would be a huge blow for our economy. One of the reasons it is very hard to estimate the impact is there are no barriers to trade with the EU and therefore figures are only estimates. You can fill a van with stuff drive to france and sell it, nothing stops you and it is not recorded. Stick a trade tariff / import tax and customs in the way and it will inevitably impact trade. We wont know how bad this will be until it happens but it is a very safe assumption that it will have a significant negative impact.

I don't think companies will fill a van. But if it's a problem why don't uk companies form a subsid in a european country and make sales or trade via that subsid. Afterall that's what Nissan and other countries do don't they? Japanese country forms a U.K. Subsid to trade its goods in the eu tariff free.

Companies in the uk will just do the same.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Why on earth would anyone vote tory. They are disgusting. Pro nuclear holocaust, pro killing the disabled, pro private NHS, pro tax breaks to the mega rich, pro secondary modern high schools....

The only reason average people vote for this mob is they have been hoodwinked into thinking their mock Tudor house and there Ford focus makes them one of them.

The Tories hate the disabled, hate the poor, hate the unemployed, hate the working poor, hate the homeless, hate the working class, hate the middle class, hate cancer sufferers, the only people Tories like are the filthy rich, the arms manufacturers, the bankers and the elite!

Like all labour voters, you don't post positives about why people should vote labour and how labour would make their life and perhaps society better. Instead like most rabid Jezza fans you just hate Tories and are envious of those who have done well in life.

Slagging people off for voting Tory is not going to change people's minds , you should concentrate on putting out positive messages about labour rather than your hate mantra crap which frankly just stengthens people's resolve that they are right afterall.

 

[Corky]

I agree with your final statement.

Your definition of deprived is perverse.

The evidence is all around you. We are living in one of the richest countries in the world. Opportunities abound. In this country people have a chance to get on and prosper. That's why so many people risk their lives travelling half way round the planet to try to be here. You can obfuscate till your blue in the face with this detail and that detail but you are doing it for narrow party political reasons. The big picture is that we are thriving.

Vote Conservative. Then get on with your life safe in the knowledge that their instincts are largely correct and they are the least likely to cock things up.

It is the Government's own definition - the Tories you want to sell out by voting for.

I see you can't back up anything on the Manchester claims so use the word obfuscate to veil that you were clearly wrong and go on about the UK as a whole.

For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Have conscience and vote labour.

 

[brass neck]

Like all labour voters, you don't post positives about why people should vote labour and how labour would make their life and perhaps society better. Instead like most rabid Jezza fans you just hate Tories and are envious of those who have done well in life.

Slagging people off for voting Tory is not going to change people's minds , you should concentrate on putting out positive messages about labour rather than your hate mantra crap which frankly just stengthens people's resolve that they are right afterall.

That's what I mean though. People from working class backgrounds have done marginally better than the rest of us! Not well exactly. You've got a few more quid, a slightly better car, an over priced house on an estate with no parking and 10cm gaps between detached houses. Don't care if people work hard and do slightly better. That doesn't make you Tory. Tories fight and work for the mega rich. You are being had as much as the rest of us.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

That's what I mean though. People from working class backgrounds have done marginally better than the rest of us! Not well exactly. You've got a few more quid, a slightly better car, an over priced house on an estate with no parking and 10cm gaps between detached houses. Don't care if people work hard and do slightly better. That doesn't make you Tory. Tories fight and work for the mega rich. You are being had as much as the rest of us.

So why should I vote labour then, without saying Tory this and that....

 

[mcfcinprague]

I've only voted once in the last 40 years and that was last June in the referendum

With a Tory majority of 16,773 at the last GE there's no point voting as usual

 

[Len Rum]

Theresa May really is a ****. Either that or she'd thick as pig shit, and bearing in mind her litany of cockups since taking over, I don't rule that out.

She's campaigning on a "hard Brexit" ticket, when the referendum vote was 52%-48%. Clearly, none of the 48% want a hard Brexit. And presumably some of the 52% don't want a hard Brexit either, having been promised by the liars that they could keep full and free access to the EU markets and all the EU benefits once we left. So she's unilaterally decided to campaign with a proposition that is probably appealing to LESS than 50% of the electorate. What a total moron.

If she keeps her trap shut, she's got a 20 point lead on Labour and she waltzes in to a massive majority. By overtly campaigning on this hard Brexit ticket, all it will do is narrow her lead so she'll be lucky if she gets a clear majority at all. I suspect the lying cow has been pro-Brexit all along and only said she was pro Remain since at the time, she thought Remain would win and she didn't want to be backing the losing side. That would certainly explain her pathetically inadequate campaigning for Remain and her Brexit-Nazi stance ever since.

I am a passionate Tory supporter and have been all my life, having voted Tory in every general election and local council elections. And at now 56 years of age, for the first time in my life this useless PM has me seriously considering voting for Lib Dem. If Corbyn wasn't such a communist, I might even consider voting for him, but clearly that's out.

If people as right wing as me feel like this, God knows how many votes she's going to lose from Remainers who aren't so committed to voting Tory. I think she's in for one hell of a fright come polling day.

You've just knocked my confidence a bit.
My prediction is that at heart she's a pragmatic soft Brexiter and has been trying to appear hard to temporarily appease RWNJs in her party and the press but that ultimately she will ditch them and opt for a soft Brexit.
With a large majority and many new MPs who will be loyal to her that should enable her to betray her right wing MPs and the media and hard Brexit voters who to date she has courted.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Then Labour are clear favourites surely.

With a credible leader, they might well be.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I don't believe this is true. Certainly a majority would prefer a softer Brexit, but I think it's a long way off everybody. A soft Brexit is essentially remaining tied to the EU without having the influence to affect policy. I've seen plenty of comments from former remainers saying that on a choice between that and a hard Brexit, they'd pick hard Brexit.

The 48% who voted Remain didn't want Brexit at all. Of course they don't want a hard Brexit.

 

[brass neck]

So why should I vote labour then, without saying Tory this and that....

Because if you were to ask most people what are the priorities in life, they would 9 out of 10 times be.... Health of your family, Honest days pay, Schooling of your kids, help and support if hitting hard times, cost of housing, good public sevices, the cost of living, cost of sending your kid to college, world peace and crime. All of those things Labour offers The improvement.

Tories will sell the NHS
Tories will increase zero hours contracts
Tories are cutting education
Tories are keeping wages low and prices are rising
Tories want your kids in debt as they go into employment from uni
Tories sell arms to despots and support continuously getting involved in interventionist strategy.
Tories are cutting police, cutting fire, cutting ambulance, cutting council grants, cutting customs, cutting The forces, cutting libraries, cutting civil service, they are cutting everything that helps us and nothing that supports them, their careers, their families. They are awful people.

They have performed financial wonders by doubling the debt. They continue with austerity like some kind of weird Catholic flagellation and can't understand they are just starving the flow on money. They are terrible governors and are hate filled! They have killed people and split our nation into fragments.