General Election June 8th

Who will you vote for at the General Election?

  • Conservatives

    Votes: 189 28.8%
  • Labour

    Votes: 366 55.8%
  • Liberal Democrats

    Votes: 37 5.6%
  • SNP

    Votes: 8 1.2%
  • UKIP

    Votes: 23 3.5%
  • Other

    Votes: 33 5.0%

  • Total voters
    656
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This notion that the so called rich should pay more tax; in this case, Labours plan to increase the income tax rate of those earning over £80,000 is bulls**t. Basic mathematics shows that the rich already pay more tax by virtue of the fact that 20% (basic rate of income tax) of £40,000 is twice as much as 20% of £20,000.
How else you gonna pay for the NHS, social care, police, schools, other public services?
Trickle down benefits from a 'strong' economy to pay for public services is not working.
Reversing the cuts in inheritance tax and capital gains tax ( which only benefit the wealthy) will also help.
 
How else you gonna pay for the NHS, social care, police, schools, other public services?
Trickle down benefits from a 'strong' economy to pay for public services is not working.
Reversing the cuts in inheritance tax and capital gains tax ( which only benefit the wealthy) will also help.
Firstly, stop dis incentivising people by taxing them more for doing well. Then concentrate on ensuring individuals and companies pay the taxes they are due. As for the NHS; we have to ensure foreign nationals pay for its services, and also cut waste such as crap IT systems that don't work.
 
Once tax rises to the extent proposed by idiots like Corbyn, ie, paying the government more than you're getting,
the tax take always drops as a result, yet the envy crew just never get it.
I remember Labour introducing a top tax rate of 83%, plus 15% on anything in the bank, the damage to the exchequer
was colossal, investment collapsed and the tax take plummeted.
I remember the Tories denying they'd double VAT. It went from 8% to 15%. Labour reduced it, tories have put it up, and it will go up again if they win.

Apart from being harder to avoid VAT, why increase regressive taxes?

Same with abolition of the domestic rates. Rich Tories with several houses (and Russian oligarchs now) saved huge amounts. Poll tax saw off Thatcher but council tax is still ridiculously low if you live in a mansion.
 
https://www.nhsproviders.org/news-blogs/news/worries-over-nhs-staffing-a-key-election-concern

From NHS providers, arguing for staff pay increases to stem staff losses to better paid jobs (in supermarkets!):

“At the same time, trusts are reporting that the uncertainty surrounding Brexit, and the failure to reassure EU nationals about their long-term future, mean that vital recruitment from EU countries is dropping rapidly."

And the Tories are going to continue their manifesto "commitment" (i.e. false promise) to cut net migration to the tens of thousands.
 
I remember the Tories denying they'd double VAT. It went from 8% to 15%. Labour reduced it, tories have put it up, and it will go up again if they win.

Apart from being harder to avoid VAT, why increase regressive taxes?

Same with abolition of the domestic rates. Rich Tories with several houses (and Russian oligarchs now) saved huge amounts. Poll tax saw off Thatcher but council tax is still ridiculously low if you live in a mansion.
But VAT pisses on the chips of the poor, so obviously it is where this government will want to go. Empty bedroom and on some benefits? Think we will take a bit of that. 10 bedroom house, in London, occupied 20 days a year? As you were........
 
https://www.nhsproviders.org/news-blogs/news/worries-over-nhs-staffing-a-key-election-concern

From NHS providers, arguing for staff pay increases to stem staff losses to better paid jobs (in supermarkets!):

“At the same time, trusts are reporting that the uncertainty surrounding Brexit, and the failure to reassure EU nationals about their long-term future, mean that vital recruitment from EU countries is dropping rapidly."

And the Tories are going to continue their manifesto "commitment" (i.e. false promise) to cut net migration to the tens of thousands.

Oh, you cynic. :-)
The UK is desperate to have a 'free trade' deal with India, unsurprisingly, but a major sticking point already is migration. Hard to see how deals can be cut with countries in the modern world that preclude higher levels of migration.
 
Firstly, stop dis incentivising people by taxing them more for doing well. Then concentrate on ensuring individuals and companies pay the taxes they are due. As for the NHS; we have to ensure foreign nationals pay for its services, and also cut waste such as crap IT systems that don't work.
The foreign nationals cost to the NHS is about 0.fcuk all of it's budget, waste on IT systems likewise.By all means take action in these areas but is that your solution to solving the NHS crisis?
"Concentrate on individuals and companies pay the taxes they are due". Yeah, well every government says that and nothing changes and this lot have been in power now for seven years without doing much at all other than sounding tough.
So I'll ask you again, how you gonna pay for the NHS,social care,policing,schools public services etc etc without considering increases in taxation OR making people pay more for them ( now there's the rub).?
 
If The torkip party get in this time. The NHS is dead. That means our parents will be dead, out kids will be dead. The most disadvantaged people will be pushed off a cliff.

If you watch nothing else and send it on to your friends watch this. It is heart breaking and a vision of what is coming our way.

There is NOTHING more important in life than the health of our kids, our parents our friends. Nothing.

Anyone intent on voting torkip because it somehow makes you look like a striver, an achiever.... If you think voting torkip makes you one of them, part of their selective club.... Please please please think again. I say it again.


There is NOTHING more important in life than the health of your kids.


PLEASE WATCH, EVEN IF YOU HATE CORBYN AND ALL HE STANDS FOR.....

PLEASE WATCH.

 
95% of the population won't be affected by this proposed tax on people earning 80 grand of more.

So the headline should be no tax rises for 95% of th epopulation guarenteed under labour.

I know nobody who earns that much anyway, the highest paid person I know earns just short of 43 grand, never knew BM had so many execs and millionaires on it that they all seem to be getting their knickers in a twist over nothing.
 
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If The torkip party get in this time. The NHS is dead. That means our parents will be dead, out kids will be dead. The most disadvantaged people will be pushed off a cliff, City will never win the league again, children, those not dead, will all develop dandruff,
the over 80's will get free child allowance and VAT will be applied to gobstoppers ;)
 
If The torkip party get in this time. The NHS is dead. That means our parents will be dead, out kids will be dead. The most disadvantaged people will be pushed off a cliff.

If you watch nothing else and send it on to your friends watch this. It is heart breaking and a vision of what is coming our way.

There is NOTHING more important in life than the health of our kids, our parents our friends. Nothing.

Anyone intent on voting torkip because it somehow makes you look like a striver, an achiever.... If you think voting torkip makes you one of them, part of their selective club.... Please please please think again. I say it again.


There is NOTHING more important in life than the health of your kids.


PLEASE WATCH, EVEN IF YOU HATE CORBYN AND ALL HE STANDS FOR.....

PLEASE WATCH.



Stopped watching after 10 seconds, everyone knows it's Kaiser Soze..................
 
You cant just keep taxing the higher earners more and more that is not the answer (which i dont have) We have a population that is bigger than ever and keeps on growing. There is only so much money in the pot and the labour model will simply bankrupt us. The NHS is obviously creaking as we have an aging population and people that make appointments when they have a bloody cold etc
 
One for Saturday?
Can't have the bin dippers getting one over on us surely?

To the tune "Bread of Heaven"

"Strong and Stable, Strong and Stable, stick ya strong and Stable up your Arse........
STICK YOUR STRONG AND STABLE UP YOUR ARSE"

 
You cant just keep taxing the higher earners more and more that is not the answer (which i dont have) We have a population that is bigger than ever and keeps on growing. There is only so much money in the pot and the labour model will simply bankrupt us. The NHS is obviously creaking as we have an aging population and people that make appointments when they have a bloody cold etc
We've got loads of money!

https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/07/corporate-welfare-a-93bn-handshake
 
The foreign nationals cost to the NHS is about 0.fcuk all of it's budget, waste on IT systems likewise.By all means take action in these areas but is that your solution to solving the NHS crisis?
"Concentrate on individuals and companies pay the taxes they are due". Yeah, well every government says that and nothing changes and this lot have been in power now for seven years without doing much at all other than sounding tough.
So I'll ask you again, how you gonna pay for the NHS,social care,policing,schools public services etc etc without considering increases in taxation OR making people pay more for them ( now there's the rub).?
Asking higher earners to pay a higher percentage of their earnings in tax to fund the NHS will be counter productive. They already pay more tax by virtue of the fact they earn more money.

If you cut waste, the NHS won't be in crisis. How many time wasters turn up at A&E, ring an ambulance when they don't need one or fail to turn up at a GP's appointment? People want a service free at the point of use, but are not willing to take responsibility for their actions. I have a good friend who works at the NHS coal face for West Mid's Ambulance service as a Paramedic. He sees examples of waste over and over again on a daily basis. He also complains of excessive layers of management and bureaucracy which cost Millions and achieve nothing. And as for foreign nationals costing FA; not true. He gets called out regularly to pick up people from airports who turn up on international flights with serious medical conditions wanting to be treated.
 
Tories at it again on net migration.
May with some well chosen words - net migration to be kept at sustainable levels and I believe that to be tens of thousands?
Excuse me is that a commitment,an aspiration or just a load of bollocks?
Tories have been saying the same thing for the last seven years. Net migration from just non EU countries was about 150k back in Sept 2016 ffs , so if they haven't managed to get that into the tens of thousands how on earth are they going to get both non EU and EU net migration below 100k?
And it appears that our economy is actually dependent on these migrants, both skilled and non skilled, and as the economy is virtually at "full" employment levels there's no locals to pick up the slack once the immigrants have gone, even if the locals were suitably qualified ( which they're not).
YCNMIU Jeff.
 
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