The perfect fumble
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Is that her own words or a headline?
stonerblue
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First result off google.
Doesn't everyone now use the terms 'hard' and 'soft' now?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/77...id-davis-trade-deal-cabinet-ministers-britain
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I think they do mate to be honest as its become almost official language but i just dont get it.
EU rules state you are either in or out with no middle ground to be found so given the vote to leave, we are out, end of with no soft or hard anywhere to be seen.
Like I said its been invented to muddy and cloud the waters and to be used as a stick to beat people with.
stonerblue
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To be honest, the waters are about as clear as veg soup for me on the whole affair. I'm going to the pub..
Well done - very sensible.
The EU will most likely not shift their position until they actually believe that not only could the UK walk away if pushed too far by the EU's intransigence
That option only becomes viable if the government's negotiating team and departments have undertaken the preparation necessary - it is not just a question of walking out of a meeting after throwing a hissy-fit.
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Thank god for that then, exactly what we voted for in the first place.
Have not bothered listening to the tweet but I was thinking this morning how very worrying the latest development are if you are of the Remain and Labour persuasion
Not only are the polls showing a shift in sentiment but May seems to be doing what a few of us have been suggesting - moving towards the centre as Labour move further Left.
Essentially she is stealing Labour's clothes - or ripping off their more popular policies - pretty smart (if frustrating) you must surely admit?
The perfect fumble
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You've got to stop fixating on me, it's unhealthy.
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dave_blue12
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She is a career politician who will adopt any stance to secure/keep power.
Her views on the EU are a good example. If the public veered back the other way she would veer right along with them.
Strong & stable - yeah right !
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As someone who voted to leave and admire the way she has handled brexit so far, i actually agree completely with you.
Politics in this country is at an all time low, let's not kid ourselves with the quality of person in parliament not great and that is being kind.
Gelsons Dad
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Like she did with fox hunting?
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I fully understand - I did recognise that it must be very frustrating for those in the 'other camp'
But if you look at it objectively you can surely admit that it is a smart play - yes?
The opposition parties want to land a blow - as weeks go by and polling day draws closer - it increasingly needs to be a knock out blow.
She has no need to lead with her chin and is just frustrating them by staying out of reach
dave_blue12
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Agree she is being very smart for herself and her party. It remains to be seen whether it's smart for the country
Sadly the British public lap up the sort of shit she is shoveling. I call it shit because, as you rightly say, she isn't actually telling us anything very much about what she and her government will actually do. In fact, again as you rightly point out, she is going to great lengths to keep any discussion on actual policies to an absolute minimum.
So yes she is being smart about her own self interest. I look forward to reading how smart she is in 2 or 3 years times. I think that could be fascinating.
What term will the Leavers use if, down the line, May starts wavering during the negotiations? If she decides that the best deal on the table is actually better than "no deal"?
But fumble - I do worry about you.
You seemed to be losing it and I was worried that it was because my asking you to post some substance with that question might have 'tipped you off a (non-Brexit) cliff.
I was going to suggest that you take some time back in the nice safe world of GIFs but I see that you have already done that.
Re that last one - I don't want to edit your work, but, in light of the emerging news on the views of voters in May 2017 and therefore for the sake of accuracy, should that last Gif not be:
#wearethe22 ??
I again fully understand - and whilst clearly a total supporter of leaving the EU I am not without a good deal of trepidation. I would suggest that anyone that isn't is not thinking straight.
Where I differ with some on here though is that we are where we are. It seems that we are beyond the point where the Remain stalwarts are going to succeed in unpicking the decision to leave. If May does get a majority of > 40 then that is it - we are leaving.
There are indeed substantial risks to be overcome against a strong team that are used to steamrolling the opposition.
So we really should be all getting behind the team - we have had our disagreements on the pre-match thread - even argued about formations and tactics. We may end up rejoicing or throwing pelters on the post-match thread - but during the negotiating period (match) we should all get behind the OUR team
If May wants to do that, she is welcome to (assuming she is elected as prime minister). If we decide that the deal is not satisfactory in 5 years time, a Farage lead UKIP will become much more relevant again.
dave_blue12
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The only thing that will prevent Brexit now in my opinion is if public opinion changes. Then Theresa will change tack pdq.
But for public opinion to change I think the economy would have to go down the shitter and none of us want that !
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