Labour manifesto unveiled

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without a dream said:
I think the point is that these companies make money too, capital cost can be paid back via what is currently private profit.
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Profits generated by consumers, I'm assuming Labour want to make things cheaper for consumers so surely that eventually means there will be no profit assuming they want to both run the industry and invest in it at the same time?

Why nationalise the industry when you can just introduce legislation for pricing caps instead which achieves cheaper tariffs for customers and costs nothing.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Is that an admission that they 'll lose the election?
If this pie in the sky goodybag is so desirable, one would have thought that the Conservatives should be wiped out.
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Err yes, I don't think anyone expects anything other than a Tory victory. If you want to call that an admission on my part then well done to you, I hope I've made your day.
As for your second paragraph you obviously didn't read my original post.
It's pretty much accepted that if you're going to change public perception on previously long held views you have to make your case a few years in advance and continue to repeat the case, not leave it until the election manifesto. You also have to be seen as a credible government in waiting. Labour are not.
So unless the left in this country can come together and form a credible and effective opposition, what we are left with is a Tory party who will simply continue to manage the economic decline of the U.K.
 
Len Rum said:
Great manifesto and for once the Labour PR machine got the soundbites right.
"Radical and responsible, fully costed, for the many not the few".
And I like the one about it being a radical vision for a better Britain rather than the continuing "management of economic decline"by the Tories.
It's a pity it's too late and no one's listening.To get these messages across you have to get them into the public consciousness over at least a two year period and you have to present yourself as a credible government in waiting which unfortunately Labour has failed to do.
However the manifesto does form a blueprint for a future center left opposition to pick up on. If not then you can bet your life that many of these policies will be pinched by the Tories at some future date.
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Nah, PR machine still staffed by monkeys.

"Radical" should be nowhere near this. Radical says Communist, Che Guervera, Islamic terrorism and California surfers - nothing that inspires confidence in the governability. Students are radical, adults are sensible.

They should have used the word either "transformative change" which is a popular buzz word at the moment and appeals to Mondeo Man or "foundational change" which sounds like something a primary school or hospital might do.

People dont like radical. They like stable. Even the angry ones.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Looks sexy to me
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Len Rum said:
You know the rules.
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Back in 5.......
 
Damocles said:
Nah, PR machine still staffed by monkeys.

"Radical" should be nowhere near this. Radical says Communist, Che Guervera, Islamic terrorism and California surfers - nothing that inspires confidence in the governability. Students are radical, adults are sensible.

They should have used the word either "transformative change" which is a popular buzz word at the moment and appeals to Mondeo Man or "foundational change" which sounds like something a primary school or hospital might do.

People dont like radical. They like stable. Even the angry ones.
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Spot on.
I would have gone with "fundamental realignment" as it hint's towards post brexit thinking.
 
A no vote is a vote for Tory.

If enough people abstain then May is gonna waltz back in and then Manchester is at the mercy of Westminster
 
Damocles said:
Nah, PR machine still staffed by monkeys.

"Radical" should be nowhere near this. Radical says Communist, Che Guervera, Islamic terrorism and California surfers - nothing that inspires confidence in the governability. Students are radical, adults are sensible.

They should have used the word either "transformative change" which is a popular buzz word at the moment and appeals to Mondeo Man or "foundational change" which sounds like something a primary school or hospital might do.

People dont like radical. They like stable. Even the angry ones.
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That aside, what did you think of the launch this morning and in particular, Corbyn's performance?
 
You seriously think that JC, Abbott and their idealistic commie cohorts could run a cold tap never mind a country. He can afford to make all these promises and pledges and give HOPE to the down trodden masses because he knows full well he'll never be in a position to implement them. Hell... Might as well vote for me.
 
blueinsa said:
That aside, what did you think of the launch this morning and in particular, Corbyn's performance?
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Corbyn is strong when he gets the chance to talk about policy which is where his passion lies. He's a great activist politician, just not a great leading one. I've always liked the man and many of his policies, I just think they won't chime with the electorate or are a good idea but not thought through with care. And the Labour Party is in such disunity at the moment that I wouldn't trust them to renationalise the Parliament cleaners, let alone the £66bn water industry. Although if Corbyn did turn it round and win then it would be a seismic shift that nobody could fail to back - it could change British political landscape for generations. I'm just not confident that he can do that without appealing to the aspirational middle classes, and I don't see many aspirational middle class policies there.

There's a problem with his election strategy also. He seems to be visiting mostly echo chambers - Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool; they already are going to vote Labour. What he isn't doing is attacking marginals which can win him seats, which you'd imagine he'd want to be doing. There's a rumour in the Party that he's trying to up his popular vote numbers in order to show that his policies are popular which will give us either a post election Corbyn (doubtful) or a Corbyn ally (possible) as next leader. Energising current Labour voters to turnout at the polls rather than winning Labour any new voters.
 
Damocles said:
Corbyn is strong when he gets the chance to talk about policy which is where his passion lies. He's a great activist politician, just not a great leading one. I've always liked the man and many of his policies, I just think they won't chime with the electorate or are a good idea but not thought through with care. And the Labour Party is in such disunity at the moment that I wouldn't trust them to renationalise the Parliament cleaners, let alone the £66bn water industry. Although if Corbyn did turn it round and win then it would be a seismic shift that nobody could fail to back - it could change British political landscape for generations. I'm just not confident that he can do that without appealing to the aspirational middle classes, and I don't see many aspirational middle class policies there.

There's a problem with his election strategy also. He seems to be visiting mostly echo chambers - Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool; they already are going to vote Labour. What he isn't doing is attacking marginals which can win him seats, which you'd imagine he'd want to be doing. There's a rumour in the Party that he's trying to up his popular vote numbers in order to show that his policies are popular which will give us either a post election Corbyn (doubtful) or a Corbyn ally (possible) as next leader. Energising current Labour voters to turnout at the polls rather than winning Labour any new voters.
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Thanks for the reply mate, insightful as ever.

Like I said in my OP i enjoyed his performance today and for once felt some respect for him but its all too little, too late and he is indeed preaching to an already captive audience rather than reaching out.

Disunity is the killer and i can see post election the Blairites splitting from a labour party that will lurch even further to the left with the backing of the Unions setting up their own party in an attempt to gain the middle ground again.

In the meantime the Tories can basically do whatever they want because they are guaranteed power.
 
Damocles said:
Nah, PR machine still staffed by monkeys.

"Radical" should be nowhere near this. Radical says Communist, Che Guervera, Islamic terrorism and California surfers - nothing that inspires confidence in the governability. Students are radical, adults are sensible.

They should have used the word either "transformative change" which is a popular buzz word at the moment and appeals to Mondeo Man or "foundational change" which sounds like something a primary school or hospital might do.

People dont like radical. They like stable. Even the angry ones.
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Excuse the wording of this, as am not fully clear on it myself. I agree with you on the choice of the word radical in this context. Though, strangely, one definition of radical is "of or going to the root or origin*" - which might imply truly essential/grounded in that which brings balance. But then again if a state of imbalance (instability) is seen as 'normal,' then that which brings balance (stability) may well be seen as abnormal and/or the 'radical' that is associated with "favoring drastic political, economic, or social reforms*" Is there a case for the idea that Labour's desire for a more balanced society may be laudable but that they are going about it in a way (perhaps too fast, too soon, that unbalances the mind of the electorate?) that makes the party effectively unelectable?
 
I remember posters on here we won't vote brexit, we did ,Jeremy Corbin,100 to 1 outsider to lead the party he did, now apparently 20 points behind the twats sorry mean Tories according to the latest figures, anyone see a pattern come on LABOUR
 
Polling cards came this morning all I have to do now is get a paper bag to put over my head and a peg for my nose while voting Tory for the first time ever,
 
Indaparkside said:
I remember posters on here we won't vote brexit, we did ,Jeremy Corbin,100 to 1 outsider to lead the party he did, now apparently 20 points behind the twats sorry mean Tories according to the latest figures, anyone see a pattern come on LABOUR
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Labour will not win the general election but the massacre may not be as high as predicted. The problem for them will be afterwards
 
hilts said:
Labour will not win the general election but the massacre may not be as high as predicted. The problem for them will be afterwards
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Regardless of the result we definitely need a strong oppersition, it will be no good for the country if labour are anialated, I think it will be closer than many think
 
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