General Election June 8th

[mcfc1632]

No matter who you quote, no matter what manifestos you read, no matter what promises you believe dis-believe I have only one thing to say to you.

Diane Abbott.

That along with Corbyn being a friend and supporter of terrorist organisations along with the Mickey Mouse economic policies are the reasons why Labour are going to implode and be the victims of the biggest landslide in British Political history.

And trust me this is coming from someone who despised Thatcher and who has always and still does hate the Tories.

Bitish politics is in the gutter.

Finally despite my loathing for the Tories I will vote for them though it is pointless down here Labour will win, though with a much reduced majority. It's going to be tough for Labour.

And yet some on here can do no more than slag off the Tories. They cannot bring themselves to look in the mirror and ask the difficult question of just how the fuck - given all the prevailing issues in the background - Labour are facing a wipe out. They ought to 'man up' and address that and cut back on the snide distractions IMO

 

[mcfc1632]

genuine question.

On social care I think its brave and realistic and I would applaud May for standing up and giving voice to what is probably the best way to sort it in the long run. The state is fucked and in its present form has too many calls on too few £££'s in its coffers. The housing stock in this country - albeit over valued - is worth a fortune and is a static locked in source of wealth and these proposals are a huge national equity release programme to fund social care. Its probably better than anything proposed as a solution including anything Labour's suggestion and in fact this should have been Labours suggestion.

What should worry May is when Labour sat down to write their manifesto they wrote in renationalisations and raising taxes and no doubt baulked at the idea of making the wealthy elderly pay for their own social care by using their own hard earned and saved for assets as a step too far - for Corbyn !! Lol . Red Theresa eh? Tax and Spend and Power to the People lol

She is definitely dragging the Conservatives to the left (centre) and not the right as some were claiming - and doing it by stealing Labour's clothes

Privately senior Labour leaders must be right pissed off

 

[mcfc1632]

Where are the costings in the Tory party manifesto?
There aren't any from the party of ( supposed) economic competence.
Fcuk off.

Terribly frustrating isn't it............

They do not need to create any hostages to fortune - same as May does not need to run the risks of taking part in debates.

What should really piss you off IMO - is how Labour have put them in that position - they are going to win easily without breaking into a sprint

 

[urban genie]

May is not moving the tories left, the political centre since the 80's was dragged into the right and has stayed there since, she is dragging it towards the what was traditional tory centre right are which is not short of what New Labour adopted in some aspects, but still not left in any way.

It is a sad indictmemt of our society that we consider this centre politics and Corbyns social liberal policies that any sane country would call even and fair are considered far left.

Britain must be off it's tits if it votes the tories in.

Also Ed Balls ........ What a ****

 

[mcfc1632]

I meant form the current position - not an historic one

Also, there was a popular view that due to her small majority and therefore dependency on some ultra-right MPs she could get dragged further right (from the current position) - which she has countered

 

[Blue Maverick]

So if you took Corbyn out the equation how many would change their vote, I'm not looking at the leaders personally although I can't stand May I'm looking at the policies and I can't see anything for me that the tories are going to do, honestly they offer me nothing but a bleak future unless I'm already rich.

 

[stonerblue]

So the twats are taking peoples houses again to pay for their social care after they have paid into the system all their lives. The £100,000 threshold is ridiculously low and penalises the poorer in society.

Not only did they manage to take my grans house (worth about 60k at the time) they also got stuck into the pension my grandad got from the military. The reason? dementia was 'mot on the list' of illness' that qualified for exemption. After 102 years of living, her husband fighting in a war and then being in the civil service until retirement she was able to leave her children exactly fuck all.

 

[The perfect fumble]

She is definitely dragging the Conservatives to the left (centre) and not the right as some were claiming - and doing it by stealing Labour's clothes

Privately senior Labour leaders must be right pissed off

Triangulation works on the gullible, it's no wonder you love it.

 

[mcfc1632]

Another day another post of zero substance or relevance by fumble

 

[The perfect fumble]

Another day another post of zero substance or relevance by fumble

Is it not triangulation?

 

[The perfect fumble]

I see the Mail loves the new cuddly conservatism....

"Unashamedly moral", putting the needs of "ordinary" working families first, a better deal for "mainstream" Britain.

It takes a special type of chutzpah to put the word "honest" next to a picture of May.

Who says words don't matter.

 

[mcfc1632]

Fuck me quoting the FT and Mail - explains a lot

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Fuck me quoting the FT and Mail - explains a lot

Some of the lefties on here must spend every waking moment reading the Daily fucking Mail from end to
end, they appear to know all the nuances of it's political stance, everything it quotes, and why the rest of us
should never as much as glance at it.
Surprising really, I'd have thought the Mirror, or that other turgid tome, the Guardian would be more to their taste,
must be secret admirers, or closet Tories.

 

[SWP's back]

To be fair mrs May was very clear strong and stable " you will not have to sell your house to pay social care costs .......when you're alive" Such a comforting thought for the elderly and infirm

It's far more socialist than the current system.

If the kids shit themselves then they can actually help out. My grandfather had dementia and lived with us for four years after my grand mother died rather than rotting in a home.

 

[SWP's back]

So the twats are taking peoples houses again to pay for their social care after they have paid into the system all their lives. The £100,000 threshold is ridiculously low and penalises the poorer in society.

The current threshold is under £40k.

 

[SWP's back]

Everything is getting worse all the time. Absolutely nothing is improving or getting better.

Well that's not true is it.

 

[JWBlueman]

Not only did they manage to take my grans house (worth about 60k at the time) they also got stuck into the pension my grandad got from the military. The reason? dementia was 'mot on the list' of illness' that qualified for exemption. After 102 years of living, her husband fighting in a war and then being in the civil service until retirement she was able to leave her children exactly fuck all.

As someone who voted to leave the EU my intention was to hold my nose and vote Tory this time in order to protect Brexit as I saw the tories as the party most likely to deliver a true Brexit.

The news on paying for home care in the event of contracting a disease not on the approved list (ie: a 'dementia tax') has however changed my mind.

I am now voting Labour.

The tories spend your whole life telling you to "save hard and provide for your family". My parents have done exactly that as have both me and my siblings. Now I'm being told by these same tories that if I (or my parents) are unlucky enough to be a victim of one of these exempt illnesses it's tough shit mate. We'll take your house and your savings to pay for your care. Despite paying in to the system your whole life.

It's sick and it's immoral.

Don't get sick. Don't get old. Don't end up in any sort of need. You might well have paid in for decades but instead of using your money to provide for you in desperate circumstances we'll use it to give a huge tax cut to the 5% who can afford to send their kids to private school. We'll use it to give a huge tax cut to big business who already don't pay the full amount.

"Thanks for your Brexit vote you ignorant prole now don't bother us again"

Scum.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I see the Mail loves the new cuddly conservatism....

"Unashamedly moral", putting the needs of "ordinary" working families first, a better deal for "mainstream" Britain.

It takes a special type of chutzpah to put the word "honest" next to a picture of May.

Who says words don't matter.

Honestly who gives a fuck what the daily mail says. you are obsessed with it.

 

[SWP's back]

more will become homeless

Explain why?

 

[SWP's back]

just encourages the wrong behaviour - don't save - sell your house when the kids leave home spread it amongst the family when you're in your early 50's rent a house and when you start to need care the state will pay because you have less than £100k in assets - and you've had a fucking great time squandering the wealth. You may as well enjoy it rather than let some old folks home company get rich

Enjoy it by spending it and helping the economy rather than saving it?

The sheer hypocrisy is fucking astounding on this thread.