Explosion at MEN Arena/Victoria Station

[Manchester_lalala]

The Government is not responsible for your cowardice.

Who said I'm scared?

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

Not really. Like many on this thread, you're scared and angry. And in your fear you're turning to division as an attempt to comprehend the incomprehensible.

It's no different from 9/11 conspiracies.

We don't like disorder as a species. The human brain will always pick patterns out of chaos and always create order even if none really exists. It's why constellations exist, why astrology is a popular pursuit and the millions of miracle cures will always find somebody to buy.

You create a "them" because it makes you feel better. There's no them. Your "we must hunt them down" is batshit insane, and to be honest if I were to question you to actually explain in logistic terms what you mean by that, I'm pretty sure you'd know that it's batshit insane.

You do realise that to these scumbags(and I am talking about extremists in general and not muslims), we are "them".

You don't have spout some sanctimonious shite lad.

 

[domalino]

I will not let them attend a venue in the future which could now be considered a staging post for more attacks.

Stupid, most probably. But it's one less location I can change the way we go about our everyday lives.

I am too choked.

Don't think you can live your life like that. I know it's the first instinct, I've got tickets to gigs at the MEN in a few months and it's the first thing I thought of, but it has no significance other than being a place where thousands of people congregated.

We can't protect ourselves or the ones we love by not going, or stopping them going, to any event that involves any large crowd - whether it's a football stadium, Theatre, festival, or indoor stadium - just like we can't protect them from being run off the road by a drunk driver by stopping them ever getting into a car.

We need to root out the causes of extremism and confront to stop this, but we can't live like hermits in the meanwhile.

 

[foetus]

Not directly related but it brought to mind an interview i saw years ago with a retired American intellegence officer in relation to 9/11.

He said something along the lines of whenever an attack like this happens the information is usually found to have been available. He said usually there are triggers, little bits of information that in hindsight when looking back can all be found and linked together. The skill in the intellegence agencies is to see these links which to be fair they tend to be very good at, especially in the UK.

This is what happens when you hear the phrase " Known to the police", it doesn't mean that there was a direct threat.

The guy who held hostage and killed people at the Lindt Cafe in Sydney a couple of years back had an extensive criminal record for some serious shit (rape, armed robbery, attempted murder, hate speech etc if i remember correctly). He should have been locked up, not on bail. How much evidence should be needed for someone to be a direct threat?

In this day and age, anyone supporting isis should be locked up and have the key thrown away. Who gives a fuck if it offends the PC brigade.

 

[johnny on the spot]

What's the likelihood we'll see another attack, so soon after a first and while we're on Critical alert and have troops on the streets of the capital?

Who stands to gain the most from the implementation of these measures?

 

[Xiphos]

There you go fella.

Embarrassing toe curling claptrap, ISIS will be quaking in their boots, ooohhh look, a gritty Northern poet spouting crap, we had better stay away from Manchester their poets are better than our propaganda

 

[SWP's back]

But what is it about this particular ideology that makes it not only hateful but violently hateful?

I couldn't tell you.

I've posted before that I work with Qataris that believe that I'll burn in hell fire for eternity and the like. We have a bit of a joke about it. They know I'm "pagan" (atheism is a capital offence out here and I couldn't bring myself to put Christian down on my forms). But they are lovely, warm, hospitable people.

I don't think they'd want to see harm done to me. I've been given the odd "introduction to the Quoran" book as a gift. But there are senior individuals in my country that finance IS. So much so that half my work nowadays is tied up with anti-money laundering red tape.

The world head quarters of the Taliban is in the building next to mine in the Diplomatic Area. It's all very strange and I don't have a single answer to most of the questions being raised on how we combat violent Islamic extremism.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The guy who held hostage and killed people at the Lindt Cafe in Sydney a couple of years back had an extensive criminal record for some serious shit (rape, armed robbery, attempted murder, hate speech etc if i remember correctly). He should have been locked up, not on bail. How much evidence should be needed for someone to be a direct threat?

In this day and age, anyone supporting isis should be locked up and have the key thrown away. Who gives a fuck if it offends the PC brigade.

Some people will be reading this post and trying to come up with an arguement against it, starting to get annoyed when reading some of the shit on this thread. You're right, they should be locked up without an release date.

 

[The perfect fumble]

twitter videos won't play on my PC...how do you get to see those vids? I'm not on twitter

It's an Internet Explorer thing, if you've got Chrome open it in that.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Not really. Like many on this thread, you're scared and angry. And in your fear you're turning to division as an attempt to comprehend the incomprehensible.

It's no different from 9/11 conspiracies.

We don't like disorder as a species. The human brain will always pick patterns out of chaos and always create order even if none really exists. It's why constellations exist, why astrology is a popular pursuit and the millions of miracle cures will always find somebody to buy.

You create a "them" because it makes you feel better. There's no them. Your "we must hunt them down" is batshit insane, and to be honest if I were to question you to actually explain in logistic terms what you mean by that, I'm pretty sure you'd know that it's batshit insane.

From my perspective, this division is only created by those who do not wish to integrate with "normal society" and consider themselves somehow closer to this supposed creator. We are "them", that is the whole point to their existence for causing maximum tragedy.

In terms of logistics, I'm talking about following the money, investing more in surveillance and snatching them from their beds if that is what it takes.

Order does not exist in life, I live alongside random chaos.

That does not mean I believe we should wait for things to happen before we react.

 

[mancityvstoke]

It's an Internet Explorer thing, if you've got Chrome open it in that.

yep worked a treat ta

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I was walking near the old Lord Lyon (now gone) the other night as I park there if going to Rusholme now as parking is impossible.

Never once felt unsafe.

Start walking down Claremont Road or Great Western Street after dark. I have family and friends on both who live it every day.

 

[Xiphos]

Granby Row in central Manchester being raided by armed police and TROOPS, ongoing now Sky

 

[mancityvstoke]

Start walking down Claremont Road or Great Western Street after dark. I have family and friends on both who live it every day.

I admit it has definitely changed and I used to know everyone there...Now I don't.

I don't get down that end anymore as no reason to tbh

 

[Damocles]

You do realise that to these scumbags(and I am talking about extremists in general and not muslims), we are "them".

You don't have spout some sanctimonious shite lad.

The guy was a Mancunian, born to very normal parents and wasn't particularly noteworthy in any way. What exactly, before they commit acts, defines "them"?

 

[Damocles]

Who said I'm scared?

You did. They're in your head and you're making fear based rationalisations because of it.

 

[cucumberman]

Granby Row in central Manchester being raided by armed police and TROOPS, ongoing now Sky

Is it confirmed its Granby row? That's literally across my street.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

You did. They're in your head and you're making fear based rationalisations because of it.

Even if he was scared that doesn't mean he's displaying cowardice does it?

 

[Thaksinssoldier]

The guy was a Mancunian, born to very normal parents and wasn't particularly noteworthy in any way. What exactly, before they commit acts, defines "them"?

You, are completely missing the point.

HE saw the average person as "them". Stop seeing it from the average citizens viewpoint or outlook, because the extremists are already in action against who they see as the infidel.

And he wasn't noteworthy? Wasn't part of his mosque for his beliefs, had travelled to both Libya AND Syria. Yeah, thank fuck you aren't heading up UK intelligence.

 

[Xiphos]

Is it confirmed its Granby row? That's literally across my street.

Yes watching it now, Granby Row written on the green shades over the door, soldiers in camoflage gear on carrying machine guns