Islamic Terrorism: is religion/belief no matter how misguided, the main motivator?

chedlee said:
That depends on your definition of 'no' :-)

I think you may be getting a little pedantic. Yes I think it probably has. No I can't give you any specific examples.
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Oh that is just priceless...
 
oakiecokie said:
I am so glad I`m an atheist.
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Me too..it just saddens me greatly that we're in a minority.

If even just one of the groups happens to have been lucky enough to have plumped for a truly existent god(s), there are a large majority of deluded people on this planet who've wasted their lives praying to non existent ones...and of course a lot of killing because of it.

Magicpole said:
Then why does Christianity oppose homosexuality if that is the case?

It is there a sub clause that I missed?

You are doing what is the default pisition, edit and ignore. It's either all truly the word of God, that infallible being. Are you saying he had a reboot? Or it's all made up.

It's all man made. The differences show the different perspectives of men over the centuries, not God. He cannot make mistakes if he existed, which I don't believe he ever has.

Jesus also said I am the only way. If you don't accept me you are going to hell to burn forever.

How does that square will love on any level?
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Their blind faith doesn't permit them to question the wisdom of being guided by books written by ill informed medieval church members, hundreds of years after the 'fact', who didn't understand a fraction of what my kids know about the world and universe today.

It's truly incredible in this day and age that people are still guided by it...and attempt to guide others by it.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Feck me there are some sick bastards on here if they think Christianity is a problem.
The 11th Commandment given by Jesus overrides every other statement in the bible.
John 13:34 "34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another."
Every act done by a Christian should be framed by this. Indeed, as such, the Old Testament is really just background.

Now historically rulers and leaders have abused this fact. But there is NOTHING more important. NOTHING.
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Does this new overriding commandment in John 13:34 extend to homosexuals?
 
Brightwells left peg said:
Think about it.

The supossed overriding commandment (is there a precedent clause in the bible in the event of conflicting Scripture?), is to love one another.

Do you reckon calling someone a sick bastard would fall in the 'tough love' category?
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I'm not sure what your point is? I was just wondering if Jesus included homosexuals in his new overriding commandment.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Oh that is just priceless...
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You've made 2 contributions to this discussion both attempting to call me out on specifics when I was trying to make general point.

So, can you tell me, Islamic Terrorisism: is religion/belief no matter how misguided, the main motivator?
 
chedlee said:
You've made 2 contributions to this discussion both attempting to call me out on specifics when I was trying to make general point.

So, can you tell me, Islamic Terrorisism: is religion/belief no matter how misguided, the main motivator?
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Yes of course it is. It's a group of people who have utilised a specific doctrine, taken specific parts what they want from it to satisfty their own desires and intentions and used it to justify their actions to others.

People can call what this malformed doctrine is whateve they wish; Islamism, Radical Islam, Islamic Fundamentalism, Salafism, Naughty Men, whatever. The fact is if Islam is being misinterpreted then why are a number of them across the world interpreting it in the same incorrect way? This isn't meant as a slight on the Islamic religion, either. I'm pointing out that there is a clear devolution of the main religion that has been agreed upon and is being preached to a number of willing followers across the globe who want to spread it.

Is it an accurate depicition of Islam? No. Is it evident that all Muslims believe what they do? No. Is Islam the basis for their doctrine? In all probability, yes, though it could easily have taken tenets from other religious or non religious sources, but given they proudly proclaim "Islam" is their championing cause, it's fair to assume that parts of the Quran have been used to formulate their warped beliefs.
 
MadchesterCity said:
Simply put Islam is the root of all evil in this scenario
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Even simpler put, humanity is the root of all evil here.

Which just like yours is so broad that it's a completely pointless statement, so let's try to be less simple and more specific instead.
 
Damocles said:
Even simpler put, humanity is the root of all evil here.

Which just like yours is so broad that it's a completely pointless statement, so let's try to be less simple and more specific instead.
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OK without Islam the world would be a safer place
 
MadchesterCity said:
OK without Islam the world would be a safer place
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Without humanity it would be even safer.

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Brightwells left peg said:
That's funny

You're right of course. We're sick.

The Catholic Church on the other hand has nothing to answer for. They were as Christian as they come the last time I studied religion.

Keep cherry picking the bits of the medieval book/doctrine you like, and ignore the ones you don't. I think that's the 'enlightenment' referred to earlier.
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In your dreams. Meanwhile in the real word...
Prestwich_Blue said:
So-called Christians still abuse this. And your response will be "Ah but they're not really Christians". Not to you or many others they aren't but they certainly see themselves as such. There are people in power here and the USA who apparently believe in God and class themselves as committed Christians yet they have no qualms about bombing people in other countries and they convince themselves and others that they're carrying out the will of God. And that's the problem here.
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But they aren't real Christians. Don't blame the book for the actions of those who cherry pick.
I should also point out that the number of people killed by Christian 'Crusades' Pograms and other Christian related wars tops out at 30m.
Neither will I blame Marx and Engels for the mass murder of 95-120 million under Atheist communist regimes.
Uncle Adolph despatched 20m in 10 years (that is some going), The Mongols too killed more 20m-50m but most of all the Black Death dispatched a whopping 450m souls.
 
BlueAnorak said:
In your dreams. Meanwhile in the real word...


But they aren't real Christians. Don't blame the book for the actions of those who cherry pick.
I should also point out that the number of people killed by Christian 'Crusades' Pograms and other Christian related wars tops out at 30m.
Neither will I blame Marx and Engels for the mass murder of 95-120 million under Atheist communist regimes.
Uncle Adolph despatched 20m in 10 years (that is some going), The Mongols too killed more 20m-50m but most of all the Black Death dispatched a whopping 450m souls.
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Does that overriding commandment to love each other you mention earlier include homosexuals?
 
Let's not descend into a false moral equivalence here. Salafist jihadism is a very real problem but is a small sect and doesn't reflect on the Five Pillars of Islam any more than any Christian atrocities don't reflect on the day to day experiences of Christianity.

My (non)religion is more holy than your religion is a very silly argument hole to descend into
 
MadchesterCity said:
Very true but it's currently a very high proportion of a certain flavour of human who is hell bent on murdering children, genocide and massacring people
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There's 2,000,000,000 Muslims in the world. I don't believe Salafist jihadists make up 0.001% of that. That is not a high proportion.
 
Its as much human nature and how it can be manipulated that causes these problems as religion and when you try and suppress religion you generally make it's adherents more ardent.
But Hitler didn't need religion to send millions to the gas chambers Stalin didn't need religion to slaughter millions of his fellow country men Mao didn't need religion to starve millions of Chinese. Pol Pot didn't need religion to slaughter his fellow Cambodians Or the Hutus to kill the Tutsis.
Not saying religion is irrelevant but it is usually an excuse rather than the cause.
 
Machiavelli said:
Does this new overriding commandment in John 13:34 extend to homosexuals?
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Actually yes. But that doesn't mean Christian faith has to accept homosexul practices.
And most of the disconnect comes from homosexual rape during historical conquest and there is a clear difference between that and homosexual love.
A number of Christian faith groups now accept the latter and others will move that way. The Church of Scotland will probably agree to it within 6 years.
Christian liturgy and practice moves at a glacial pace.
 
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