General Election June 8th

[worsleyweb]

Well, I like the guy, seems down to earth and honest for me - could have a nice pint with him I reckon

I have honestly never hated a man as much in my life. Feel like crying every time he comes in the tv. He has voted against every single trrrorist law for 30 years, refused to condemn numerous Terror organisations including the Ira. The man is a huge danger. No doubt many on here will think the complete opposite. Allowed to have my opinion though.

 

[worsleyweb]

Er - yes we can. Because cuts to public services stunt growth by taking money out of the economy. It involves making people redundant and stops spending on capital projects, which also (as you well know as a developer) reduces employment in the building and construction sector. So instead of people spending and adding to GDP via consumption, they're on benefits.

What about Greece then? Worked well there.had to be a balance colin and this guy will Spend spend spend. I am against the cuts going too far however.

 

[bluethrunthru]

As I say, luckily most people think Corbyn is a tool. Labour policies are in my view idiotic (by and large) but that's irrelevant. A majority does not want Corbyn as their PM.

It was that kind of cocksure approach that had Cameron foxed when the referendum came about - he always knew he would win lol - then Clinton was so sure she probably had her decor plans for the Whitehouse already written out - and stored on her private server, ouch that came round and bit her ample arse eh? - and now May is running a shambolic campaign safe in the knowledge she will win............... she is hoping at least once the pundits are right eh?

ps

remember Pep's first 10 game in charge? We had the league sewn up

 

[Chippy_boy]

Well, I like the guy, seems down to earth and honest for me - could have a nice pint with him I reckon

I think he's a man of some principles and not unlikeable and I'd certainly have a pint with him, although he'd probably drive me potty with every sentence coming out of his mouth. But he's FAR too left wing in his views to be popular enough to succeed as PM in this country. The UK (more specifically England) has been moving to the right for decades now - you only have to look at the colour-coded maps post-election: England is covered in blue. People don't want the water companies privatised for no good reason and at no cost. The only privatisation that has any popular support is that of the railways, but people have forgotten how utterly shite it was under British Rail.

People like working for Honda and other progressive employers. They don't want to work for British Leyland and to be going on strike every 2 minutes. This is the vision Jeremy Corbyn offers and it's not an appealing one.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

I watched the train wreck interviews by Corbyn and May when Andrew Neil interviewed them and have just seen Abbott soil herself with Andrew Marr, all we need now is Amber Rudd nailed to the wall by Jeremy Paxton to show us just how bad our politics is at present. There aren't enough people watching political programs to know just how bad these people are and just how disgraceful they are as career opportunists.
Both Abbott and Corbyn quite clearly supported the IRA, they wont condemn them in particular and Abbott today redefined the term entitled so many ways by referring to her Afro and remarking it was a different time back then. Rudd on Question time was conversationally stunted and came across like Burnham did as a spare wheel entrenched in useless meaningless rhetorical clap trap.
We're politically in the wilderness and being led by Eurovision judges without the backbone to make decisions but just follow trends or pander to whatever group feels most aggrieved at any given time.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

It's painful but necessary. Hopefully a majority will understand this come June 8th, as they did in 2015.

It's not necessary. No serious economist thinks that a balanced budget is a good thing. The years we've had a balanced budget or even a surplus you can count on one hand. Austerity kills growth. Austerity reduces tax receipts. Our growth is below the EU average currently and probably weakening. Real wage growth and productivity are weak.

This is not good economics and no amount of you spouting your Tory propagandist clap-trap makes it so.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It was that kind of cocksure approach that had Cameron foxed when the referendum came about - he always knew he would win lol - then Clinton was so sure she probably had her decor plans for the Whitehouse already written out - and stored on her private server, ouch that came round and bit her ample arse eh? - and now May is running a shambolic campaign safe in the knowledge she will win............... she is hoping at least once the pundits are right eh?

ps

remember Pep's first 10 game in charge? We had the league sewn up

Far from cocksure on my part mate. A month ago, I would have bet my house on Corbyn not winning and now I wouldn't be more than a grand on it. That May has allowed such an unpopular opponent to catch up as she has done, is an endictment as to how utterly shite she has been. If she were to lose - which is indeed possible if not unlikely - it would be the biggest fuck up in the history of UK politics. And solely down to her incompetence.

 

[Chippy_boy]

It's not necessary. No serious economist thinks that a balanced budget is a good thing. The years we've had a balanced budget or even a surplus you can count on one hand. Austerity kills growth. Austerity reduces tax receipts. Our growth is below the EU average currently and probably weakening. Real wage growth and productivity are weak.

This is not good economics and no amount of you spouting your Tory propagandist clap-trap makes it so.

And likewise your claptrap. Which is what you spout. Again.

 

[worsleyweb]

It's not necessary. No serious economist thinks that a balanced budget is a good thing. The years we've had a balanced budget or even a surplus you can count on one hand. Austerity kills growth. Austerity reduces tax receipts. Our growth is below the EU average currently and probably weakening. Real wage growth and productivity are weak.

This is not good economics and no amount of you spouting your Tory propagandist clap-trap makes it so.

Can you explain to me (not being funny or taking the piss) why is doesn't work in Greece?

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

And likewise your claptrap. Which is what you spout. Again.

So the thoughts of virtually every serious economist are clap-trap? LOL.

The truth is you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about and make no attempt to engage in any reasonable level of debate. You just spout cliches that you have no understanding of.

 

[Chippy_boy]

I watched the train wreck interviews by Corbyn and May when Andrew Neil interviewed them and have just seen Abbott soil herself with Andrew Marr, all we need now is Amber Rudd nailed to the wall by Jeremy Paxton to show us just how bad our politics is at present. There aren't enough people watching political programs to know just how bad these people are and just how disgraceful they are as career opportunists.
Both Abbott and Corbyn quite clearly supported the IRA, they wont condemn them in particular and Abbott today redefined the term entitled so many ways by referring to her Afro and remarking it was a different time back then. Rudd on Question time was conversationally stunted and came across like Burnham did as a spare wheel entrenched in useless meaningless rhetorical clap trap.
We're politically in the wilderness and being led by Eurovision judges without the backbone to make decisions but just follow trends or pander to whatever group feels most aggrieved at any given time.

Top post. There is indeed a talent-vacuum amongst the political leaders at the moment. Where are the Ken Clarkes, Michael Heseltines, Gordon Browns, Tony Benns? Absent.

 

[hilts]

Can you explain to me (not being funny or taking the piss) why is doesn't work in Greece?

Think of it as Greece borrowed money and went on a weekend bender, a sensible person may borrow for a van because the one he has keeps breaking down.

 

[Chippy_boy]

So the thoughts of virtually every serious economist are clap-trap? LOL.

The truth is you clearly have no fucking clue what you're talking about and make no attempt to engage in any reasonable level of debate. You just spout cliches that you have no understanding of.

The truth is you have no fucking clue what you are talking about, and just resort to being offensive when anyone challenges your socialist worker silly ideas. There you go, that pretty much matches your tone.

"Virtually every serious economist" thinking balanced budgets are a bad idea is clap-trap. "No serious economist thinks that a balanced budget is a good thing." More clap-trap.

Some think this, others do not. Maybe even a majority think it, who knows. But "virtually every" and "no serious" is clap-trap, period. It's simply you unable to recognise as sensible any views that contradict your own lefty agenda.

 

[Cheesy]

http://press.labour.org.uk/post/115103489714/labour-will-prioritise-tax-cuts-for-small-firms

http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-election-manifesto-winners-and-losers-glance

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/16/labou...y-policies-for-general-election-2017-6628153/

https://www.tax.org.uk/media-centre...on-2017-corporation-tax-and-income-tax-higher

Maybe you have been too busy reading the right wing propaganda to study the facts and missed this part of the fully costed Labour Manifesto

You've proper fucked up here!

First link is to a policy announcement by Ed Balls :-D Apprently he's the Shadow Chancellor although (and again, I may have missed something here) I thought that nowadays he was a ballroom dancer.

Then you show a complete lack of understanding of the subject. Labour plan to reintroduce a small profits corporation tax rate. Which is nice. However, this will be set at 20% rising to 21% in 2020-21 which is higher than they pay now & is a damn sight higher than under Tory plans.

Take a look at this from the IFS...



Maybe you have been too busy reading The Guardian and The Socialist Worker to study the facts and you've missed the fact that the Labour Manifesto is nowhere near fully costed.

I'm looking forward to your reply on this matter :-)


Hello???

@law74

Where are you?

 

[SWP's back]

Er - yes we can. Because cuts to public services stunt growth by taking money out of the economy. It involves making people redundant and stops spending on capital projects, which also (as you well know as a developer) reduces employment in the building and construction sector. So instead of people spending and adding to GDP via consumption, they're on benefits.

You keep mentioning record levels of debt and yet:

You're aware that GDP has been rising for the last five years. You're aware there are less people on benefits than five years ago. You're aware there are more people in work than five years ago. You are however suggesting that we should borrow a fuck load more and increase the deficit rather than reduce it.

You want your cake and to eat it.

 

[Sleeping_Easy]

You've proper fucked up here!

First link is to a policy announcement by Ed Balls :-D Apprently he's the Shadow Chancellor although (and again, I may have missed something here) I thought that nowadays he was a ballroom dancer.

Then you show a complete lack of understanding of the subject. Labour plan to reintroduce a small profits corporation tax rate. Which is nice. However, this will be set at 20% rising to 21% in 2020-21 which is higher than they pay now & is a damn sight higher than under Tory plans.

Take a look at this from the IFS...



Maybe you have been too busy reading The Guardian and The Socialist Worker to study the facts and you've missed the fact that the Labour Manifesto is nowhere near fully costed.

I'm looking forward to your reply on this matter :-)


Hello???

@law74

Where are you?

Is it just me that read this like Delia Smith was saying it

 

[hilts]

You've proper fucked up here!

First link is to a policy announcement by Ed Balls :-D Apprently he's the Shadow Chancellor although (and again, I may have missed something here) I thought that nowadays he was a ballroom dancer.

Then you show a complete lack of understanding of the subject. Labour plan to reintroduce a small profits corporation tax rate. Which is nice. However, this will be set at 20% rising to 21% in 2020-21 which is higher than they pay now & is a damn sight higher than under Tory plans.

Take a look at this from the IFS...



Maybe you have been too busy reading The Guardian and The Socialist Worker to study the facts and you've missed the fact that the Labour Manifesto is nowhere near fully costed.

I'm looking forward to your reply on this matter :-)


Hello???

@law74

Where are you?

He thinks that giving millions of people a 30% pay rise can be offset to small business by rate cuts. He has basically just read somewhere that the labour manifesto has been costed and accepted it because it suits his la la land view of socialism.

 

[Cheesy]

Is it just me that read this like Delia Smith was saying it

Me too now I've re-read it :-D

Come on @law74 let's be having you!

 

[SWP's back]

It's not necessary. No serious economist thinks that a balanced budget is a good thing. The years we've had a balanced budget or even a surplus you can count on one hand. Austerity kills growth. Austerity reduces tax receipts. Our growth is below the EU average currently and probably weakening. Real wage growth and productivity are weak.

This is not good economics and no amount of you spouting your Tory propagandist clap-trap makes it so.

It outstripped the UK marginally in two of the last seven quarters. And only once in the last year, by 0.3%

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Which of course is not even slightly detrimental to the economy is it??!?! Of course it is. Which is what Labour don't understand and have never understood. It's why tax receipts GO UP when you cut tax rates. We're raising more in corporation tax at 19% than we ever did when the rates were higher. We raise more income tax at the highest rate now it's 45% compared to when it was 50% Raising taxes, fucks up the economy and ultimately fails.

When your heroine was prime minister, corporate tax was 52%. Over her decade in power that reduced to 35%. The current USA rate is 39%, UAE 55%, India 34%, France 34%, Japan, Australia and Germany 30%. But in the UK it is 17%m raising it will be detrimental and all the companies will 'relocate'. Where are they going to?