Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[bluethrunthru]

I'm sure Clegg told us that the EU army was a 'dangerous fantasy lie' Thank fuck it wasn't wrote on the side of a bus.

why? writing something on the side of a bus guarantees it will never happen

 

[smudgedj]

why? writing something on the side of a bus guarantees it will never happen

When something is on the side of a bus it changes the meaning from a proposition to a promise.
New grammar rule.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Indeed, remainers on here were telling us exactly the same. Now we're apparently assured it's going to happen.
Germans went to Afghanistan with instructions to leave the nasty fighting bit to the Brits and Yanks, the Italians
will be checking the reverse gear on their tanks are fully functioning, and the French will probably surrender soon, just in case.

Thanks, I'd forgotten just how much I pity little englanders.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Thanks, I'd forgotten just how much I pity little englanders.

I fancy your favourite tipple is bitter, just prior to its eventual sourness.
Being wrong, not just occasionally, but constantly, must be terrible for one's disposition.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I fancy your favourite tipple is bitter, just prior to its eventual sourness.
Being wrong, not just occasionally, but constantly, must be terrible for one's disposition.

You tell me.

 

[smudgedj]

I fancy your favourite tipple is bitter, just prior to its eventual sourness.
Being wrong, not just occasionally, but constantly, must be terrible for one's disposition.

Odd isn't it. They have a sociopathic desire to tar leave voters with the little englander brush. Yet we are ones rejecting 'xenophobic isolationism' in the EU. We are ones who want to embrace the world.

 

[Blue Whale]

Odd isn't it. They have a sociopathic desire to tar leave voters with the little englander brush. Yet we are ones rejecting 'xenophobic isolationism' in the EU. We are ones who want to embrace the world.

I hope you're being sarcastic.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Needs bumping as about to become very relevant

 

[The perfect fumble]

I hope you're being sarcastic.

Sadly he isn't.

 

[The perfect fumble]

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

We'll get it done.

 

[The perfect fumble]

We'll get it done.

You do know that in the long term we're all dead?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

You do know that in the long term we're all dead?

Now that's a real race to the bottom I don't want to win mate ;)

 

[the god Gerry Gow]

I voted leave but now accept that following probably the most shambolic election campaign in history brexit is dead in the water.

A hung parliament or astonishingly a labour victory and it will never happen.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

I voted leave but now accept that following probably the most shambolic election campaign in history brexit is dead in the water.

A hung parliament or astonishingly a labour victory and it will never happen.

i dont agree. there is no way they will go back on brexit and not let it happen. besides can you actually see labour winning ? scotlands gone, most of the ukip votes will go to the tories. labour are relying on the young vote, which never really comes out and votes anyway.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

I voted leave but now accept that following probably the most shambolic election campaign in history brexit is dead in the water.

A hung parliament or astonishingly a labour victory and it will never happen.

I think it will still happen under a hung parliament, but I think it will be less hardline and dogmatic, and will consider Scotland/N Ireland's needs more; I don't recall any Westminster politico stating that they will look after the regions (of course, from a voting perspective, the Conservatives would be quite happy to wave Scotland goodbye).

I don't expect it to be hung though.

 

[Len Rum]

After Mavis had invoked Article 50 back in March I was reasonably optimistic that she would begin to distance herself from the Tory right wing fruitcakes and the right wing press that she had been courting ever since she became Tory party leader and become more pragmatic in her approach to negotiating a deal with the EU.
With the calling of the General Election and subsequent events that optimism has now gone.
A number of things have changed.
First May has spent the whole election campaign on EU issues getting even further into bed with the RWNJs in her party and the anti EU media. Those links are now even stronger than before. She is also pandering to former UKIP voters. After the election the DNA of UKIP will be firmly embedded in the Tory party. In effect she has now sold her soul to these various rabid anti EU factions. There is no going back from this now. She has no room for manouvre in the negotiations.
Second the campaign has shown her to be weak and inept and liable to U turn at the slightest pressure. She likes to appear strong but in fact she's just stubborn. Basically she's not competent enough to get a good deal, so by default expect no deal.
And the political and economic situation has changed in Europe since the referendum. A few months ago there were predictions of right wing populist victories in Austria, Holland and France. None of these materialized. In France a pro EU hard man Macron was elected and a powerful alliance has been forged between him and Merkel who herself is now enjoying something of a renaissance in Germany and looks set to win her fourth election. Also just at the time negotiations are about to start the EU economy is outperforming that of the U.K. In other words the EU is a lot stronger than it was back in June last year, just in time for the beginning of the Brexit negotiations.
The dynamic has changed, a weakened PM in hock to various anti EU factions and unable to negotiate by virtue of these alliances and also a lack of competence against a stronger and more united EU.
In short we are heading helter skelter to a disastrous,chaotic and hard 'no deal' departure from the EU.
This is Brexit.
May's Brexit.

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

i dont agree. there is no way they will go back on brexit and not let it happen. besides can you actually see labour winning ? scotlands gone, most of the ukip votes will go to the tories. labour are relying on the young vote, which never really comes out and votes anyway.

That's about the long and the short of it, any other scenario is just a dream concocted by those firm remainers keeping hopes alive.

 

[The perfect fumble]

After Mavis had invoked Article 50 back in March I was reasonably optimistic that she would begin to distance herself from the Tory right wing fruitcakes and the right wing press that she had been courting ever since she became Tory party leader and become more pragmatic in her approach to negotiating a deal with the EU.
With the calling of the General Election and subsequent events that optimism has now gone.
A number of things have changed.
First May has spent the whole election campaign on EU issues getting even further into bed with the RWNJs in her party and the anti EU media. Those links are now even stronger than before. She is also pandering to former UKIP voters. After the election the DNA of UKIP will be firmly embedded in the Tory party. In effect she has now sold her soul to these various rabid anti EU factions. There is no going back from this now. She has no room for manouvre in the negotiations.
Second the campaign has shown her to be weak and inept and liable to U turn at the slightest pressure. She likes to appear strong but in fact she's just stubborn. Basically she's not competent enough to get a good deal, so by default expect no deal.
And the political and economic situation has changed in Europe since the referendum. A few months ago there were predictions of right wing populist victories in Austria, Holland and France. None of these materialized. In France a pro EU hard man Macron was elected and a powerful alliance has been forged between him and Merkel who herself is now enjoying something of a renaissance in Germany and looks set to win her fourth election. Also just at the time negotiations are about to start the EU economy is outperforming that of the U.K. In other words the EU is a lot stronger than it was back in June last year, just in time for the beginning of the Brexit negotiations.
The dynamic has changed, a weakened PM in hock to various anti EU factions and unable to negotiate by virtue of these alliances and also a lack of competence against a stronger and more united EU.
In short we are heading helter skelter to a disastrous,chaotic and hard 'no deal' departure from the EU.
This is Brexit.
May's Brexit.

Agreed.

If she's denied her thumping majority she'll face all of the above and more. At the beginning of this election she was more popular than her party, is that still the case? And remember how it was Labour voters who supposedly would have to hold their noses to vote for Corbyn, how many Tories are having to do that now with May?

And even if post election she's still inclined to avoid hard Brexit what kind of deal could she possibly negotiate? She's been shown up as spineless and incompetent, a wobbler, barely in control of her cabinet let alone her government.

This election has not united the country and its outcome will expose the UK as even more divided than before. May will end up in government but not in power, with her position in jeopardy the moment she makes the slightest concession.

She's utterly screwed.

 

[bluethrunthru]

We'll get it done.

from what I have seen of May in this campaign if she can't read a script in front of a willing and invited audience in the Brexit negotiations then we are fucked. Rabbit in the headlamps does an injustice to nocturnal rabbits. If her team around her is going to take a lead off her 27 foxes will be lining up to pull them to pieces

we are fucked.