Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

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The perfect fumble said:
Agreed.

If she's denied her thumping majority she'll face all of the above and more. At the beginning of this election she was more popular than her party, is that still the case? And remember how it was Labour voters who supposedly would have to hold their noses to vote for Corbyn, how many Tories are having to do that now with May?

And even if post election she's still inclined to avoid hard Brexit what kind of deal could she possibly negotiate? She's been shown up as spineless and incompetent, a wobbler, barely in control of her cabinet let alone her government.

This election has not united the country and its outcome will expose the UK as even more divided than before. May will end up in government but not in power, with her position in jeopardy the moment she makes the slightest concession.

She's utterly screwed.
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As I have been saying for a while now the likely winner will be the loser. Corbyn will not perform as badly as predicted and will therefore survive at Labour. May's 200 seat majority predicted on the day of the announcement won't materialise - she could actually be no better off. At which point the knives will be out in the Tory party
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
i dont agree. there is no way they will go back on brexit and not let it happen. besides can you actually see labour winning ? scotlands gone, most of the ukip votes will go to the tories. labour are relying on the young vote, which never really comes out and votes anyway.
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They dont have to. Corbyn has no clue whatsoever about how to negotiate anything. If he is in charge in any brexit negotiations we will probably stay in the eu or get totally shafted. Hes a totally useless c*nt. Surrounded by even more incompetant c*nts that just make him look slighty better.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
They dont have to. Corbyn has no clue whatsoever about how to negotiate anything. If he is in charge in any brexit negotiations we will probably stay in the eu or get totally shafted. Hes a totally useless c*nt. Surrounded by even more incompetant c*nts that just make him look slighty better.
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whereas Theresa May has come over as strong and stable who will negotiate form a position of strength - like the one she went into this election with and she has folded like a cheap fucking deckchair. David Davies is already promoted beyond his payscale and Boris Johnson is seen as a figure of fun in the EU. Sadly its not going to end well with these clowns mate.
 
bluethrunthru said:
whereas Theresa May has come over as strong and stable who will negotiate form a position of strength - like the one she went into this election with and she has folded like a cheap fucking deckchair. David Davies is already promoted beyond his payscale and Boris Johnson is seen as a figure of fun in the EU. Sadly its not going to end well with these clowns mate.
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we're fucked either way. johnson and may or dianne abbot and corbyn.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
we're fucked either way. johnson and may or dianne abbot and corbyn.
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Just watching Davies embarrassingly fumbling his way through a Newsnight interview. Seems to think a manifesto suggestion that they will be strong and stable in negotiations is a plan...... FFS ....... 27 countries have met and agreed their strategy. May the **** has called an election and diverted us from our planning and effectively given whoever wins the GE a few days to plan for the biggest and most important negotiations in probably 40 years..................... we are going down the gurgler mate - big style
 
bluethrunthru said:
whereas Theresa May has come over as strong and stable who will negotiate form a position of strength - like the one she went into this election with and she has folded like a cheap fucking deckchair. David Davies is already promoted beyond his payscale and Boris Johnson is seen as a figure of fun in the EU. Sadly its not going to end well with these clowns mate.
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Maybe, but brexit is the only thing that I think May could possibly pull off. Rule 1 in any tough negotiation dont show your hand. Rule 2 start off asking more than you would accept. Corbyn has publically failed with his stance on both points so far. The eu will eat the soft ideoilistic twat for breakfast. But I would still go for a pint with him.
 
Churchlawtonblue said:
Maybe, but brexit is the only thing that I think May could possibly pull off. Rule 1 in any tough negotiation dont show your hand. Rule 2 start off asking more than you would accept. Corbyn has publically failed with his stance on both points so far. The eu will eat the soft ideoilistic twat for breakfast. But I would still go for a pint with him.
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I have no confidence in her now after the GE showing. The most important negotiations in 40 odd years and I really don't think she is capable nor has she a team around her that are capable on this showing
 
Its becoming clear the present government has already lost. We will end up with no deal. To get a deal, both parties will need to feel its in their best interest.
 
bluethrunthru said:
I have no confidence in her now after the GE showing. The most important negotiations in 40 odd years and I really don't think she is capable nor has she a team around her that are capable on this showing
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Although she's been dire in the GE certainly, I think it would be wrong to assume that therefore she'll be a crap negotiator. As was suggested on another thread, it would appear perhaps she's a bit Gordon Brown like, i.e. lacking any charisma whatsoever and rather awkward in front of an audience, but actually quite efficient when left alone to get on with it. (Not that I agreed at all with Brown's policies, but I can imagine he was quite effective if you did agree with them.)

Corbyn on the other hand is an intellectual shambles. He's unqualified in every respect and has completely daft ideas on what would be good for the country. His heart is in the right place, but he's either too thick or too deluded or too dishonest to realise or admit that you cannot lump a load of tax burden on the economy without depressing the economy.

There's a world of difference between actually RUNNING the country and just shouting "Spend more on X", "Spend more on Y", "Z is a disgrace" from the sidelines. Running the country involves difficult choices. Protesting from the sidelines is unencumbered with real world obstacles and challenges.
 
Logistically, what would happen to the negotiations if Labour were elected? May has had nearly a year to develop her negotiating objectives and strategy, using the full resources of the civil service. Clearly much of her plan would go out of the window. Labour would be starting almost from scratch. Would the EU insist on sticking with the current timetable? Or might they take the view that it would be in their interest to give Labour time to come up with a softer Brexit proposal?
 
If labour were to win I would expect civil servants would advise. Yes Minister was nearer the truth than we all think.
 
Boris, Davis, Fox or Starmer, Thornberry and Gardener.

I know who I would prefer negotiating and it ain't the first 3 bellends
 
mayo31 said:
If labour were to win I would expect civil servants would advise. Yes Minister was nearer the truth than we all think.
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The civil servants can only advise once the politicians have told them what the political objectives are. May and Davis have been telling them that control of immigration is the top priority, followed by exiting the ECJ, both red lines. Presumably that would change under Labour. They wouldn't quite be starting from scratch but it would take a few months of preparation before Labour would be in a position to start serious negotiations.
 
"No deal is better than a bad deal"
In economic terms this never made sense (obviously).
However the penny dropped for me last night watching question time and listening to David Davis.
The Tories are factoring in political,not just economic, considerations when making this statement.
So for them crashing out of the EU with no trade deal would make us poorer but would bring political benefits such as 'make our own laws', control our own borders' etc i.e. poorer but in control.
This scenario to them is preferable to getting a trade deal which is 'bad'( albeit better than no deal) but where have to compromise on the previously mentioned political 'benefits' .
Obviously wiser heads have understood this all along, it would have been nice had the Tories spelt it out earlier.
 
urban genie said:
Boris, Davis, Fox or Starmer, Thornberry and Gardener.

I know who I would prefer negotiating and it ain't the first 3 bellends
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Rumours that after the election May is going to appoint someone called Gummer ( son of ex cabinet minister John selwyn Gummer) to Brexit secretary to replace David Davis who will become Foreign Secretary replacing the liability that is Boris Johnson.
This would explain why she didn't parade her Brexit team at the Brexit relaunch and why she never mentions them.
It would also mean she has her puppet appointed as Brexit secretary to do her bidding, because I think David Davis, for all his faults, is his own man.
 
Mayday Mayday and her strength and stable horseshit are nothing but a right wing media creation.

She has shat her tights every day she's faced questions. Her decision to hold an ejection she lied she wouldn't call has been a strategic disaster. And she has U Turned, crumbled and looked like she was caught in the lights.

An uncosted back of a fag packet manifesto, that is already in tatters, showed the arrogance and belief the pro Tory media would do its job and people would nod like donkeys. Well, that turned out well didn't it? A 25 point lead down to 4.

At the erratically beating heart of this is Mayday and still people on here are saying she could still do it in Brexit,

Brexit Brexit was supposed to be her trump card and her being shown to be a shitebag and u turner has everybody asking what's strong a stable about her?

She has been found out.

Mayday Mayday sat on a wall
Mayday Mayday had a great fall
All the right wing papers , BBC and ITN
Couldn't put Mayday together again.

Mayday, shiting tights at venue near you.

You won't get in though, because she's a coward and scared to meet people and defend her train crash manifesto.
 
Just in that the Shitebag that is Mayday has shat out of signing the G7 letter to the Trumpcunt about the Paris agreement.

Strong and Stable? An utter shitebag.
 
Angus Robertson Barry Gardiner, and Nick Clegg all saying in effect ignore the vote of Brexit, with Angus Robertson not quite grasping the idea that it was a UK vote, he even quoted London as an exceptional case to have a 'Special deal' which shows the SNP's decisive nature. Gardiner went so far as to say that Brexit shouldn't be political he's wanting a complete backtrack.
 
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