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Magicpole
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Although she's been dire in the GE certainly, I think it would be wrong to assume that therefore she'll be a crap negotiator. As was suggested on another thread, it would appear perhaps she's a bit Gordon Brown like, i.e. lacking any charisma whatsoever and rather awkward in front of an audience, but actually quite efficient when left alone to get on with it. (Not that I agreed at all with Brown's policies, but I can imagine he was quite effective if you did agree with them.)
Corbyn on the other hand is an intellectual shambles. He's unqualified in every respect and has completely daft ideas on what would be good for the country. His heart is in the right place, but he's either too thick or too deluded or too dishonest to realise or admit that you cannot lump a load of tax burden on the economy without depressing the economy.
There's a world of difference between actually RUNNING the country and just shouting "Spend more on X", "Spend more on Y", "Z is a disgrace" from the sidelines. Running the country involves difficult choices. Protesting from the sidelines is unencumbered with real world obstacles and challenges.
Admit it. You all believed the Strong and Stable shite. She then tajes centre stage, a stage she called for and she has crumbled. She shat her tights so many times. She U turned herself dizzy, flapped, was so arrogant she drew up an uncosted manifesto that fell apart.
And you still think she will be a good negotiator?
Unbelievable.
Chippy_boy
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Admit it. You all believed the Strong and Stable shite. She then tajes centre stage, a stage she called for and she has crumbled. She shat her tights so many times. She U turned herself dizzy, flapped, was so arrogant she drew up an uncosted manifesto that fell apart.
And you still think she will be a good negotiator?
Unbelievable.
I don't need to "admit it", i've been saying it consistently.
What is "unbelievable" however, is the idea that you can do what Labour suggest: Spend more on EVERYTHING and it will all be OK, and hardly anyone will have to pay for it. That is what's truly UNBELIEVABLE.
I think May is rubbish on TV and in front of TV audiences. Does that mean she'll be rubbish at running the country and in the Brexit negotiations? No, it doesn't. By all accounts she's been a competent and effective home secretary.
Corbyn is OK on a soap bax (where he belongs) but would be absolutely unmitigated shite, when it comes to keeping the economy on track. Shite. If he wins, WHEN it all goes absolutely completely tits up, as it will, I"ll expect you to come on here and say, "well, I am sorry, I got it completely wrong". Nothing else will do.
Spend more on EVERYTHING and it will all be OK, and hardly anyone will have to pay for it.
Currently borrowing is cheap due to low world growth. An excellent time to invest in infrastructure to improve the overall economy in the long term. We need improved productivity, growth and wage inflation to drive the economy forward. Not Going to happen with this Tory government, who have no ideas and are only reactive.
Currently borrowing is cheap due to low world growth. An excellent time to invest in infrastructure to improve the overall economy in the long term. We need improved productivity, growth and wage inflation to drive the economy forward. Not Going to happen with this Tory government, who have no ideas and are only reactive.
Gabriel
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I don't need to "admit it", i've been saying it consistently.
What is "unbelievable" however, is the idea that you can do what Labour suggest: Spend more on EVERYTHING and it will all be OK, and hardly anyone will have to pay for it. That is what's truly UNBELIEVABLE.
I think May is rubbish on TV and in front of TV audiences. Does that mean she'll be rubbish at running the country and in the Brexit negotiations? No, it doesn't. By all accounts she's been a competent and effective home secretary.
Corbyn is OK on a soap bax (where he belongs) but would be absolutely unmitigated shite, when it comes to keeping the economy on track. Shite. If he wins, WHEN it all goes absolutely completely tits up, as it will, I"ll expect you to come on here and say, "well, I am sorry, I got it completely wrong". Nothing else will do.
Really? :-)
I'm all in favour of a bit of partisanship, CB, but you're stretching it a bit there.
Chippy_boy
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Really? :-) [i.e. "By all accounts she's been a competent and effective home secretary."]
I'm all in favour of a bit of partisanship, CB, but you're stretching it a bit there.
Well not being part of the home office myself, but apparently so. Presumably that's one of the reasons her fellow MP's gave her the MP's job. I've never rated her myself and have said so on these forums for the past year or more.
Chippy_boy
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Spend more on EVERYTHING and it will all be OK, and hardly anyone will have to pay for it.
Currently borrowing is cheap due to low world growth. An excellent time to invest in infrastructure to improve the overall economy in the long term. We need improved productivity, growth and wage inflation to drive the economy forward. Not Going to happen with this Tory government, who have no ideas and are only reactive.
Good post.
My personal view is that the deficit in 2010 (being at the time the highest in the developed world!) was so high that it would have been utterly wreckless not to tackle it. And therefore without huge increases in taxation, austerity was absolutely necessary.
I do agree however that there can be a case for public spending as in investment and to get the economy moving, when we can afford it. However, until the Brexit vote, the economy was growing very nicely and no such stimulus was needed. Remember the warnings that interest rates might have to go up to stop the economy overheating?
So maybe there is now a case for easing off on austerity, as indeed is reflected in the revised targets for reaching budget-surplus in the Tory manifesto.
But what Corbyn is suggesting is not an "easing off", it's rampant spending on a scale not seen in decades. It would imo inevitably push up inflation, interest rates and unemployment. His ideas might not be daft in principle, but the scale of the reversal in policies would be disastrous in my view.
Magicpole
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I don't need to "admit it", i've been saying it consistently.
What is "unbelievable" however, is the idea that you can do what Labour suggest: Spend more on EVERYTHING and it will all be OK, and hardly anyone will have to pay for it. That is what's truly UNBELIEVABLE.
I think May is rubbish on TV and in front of TV audiences. Does that mean she'll be rubbish at running the country and in the Brexit negotiations? No, it doesn't. By all accounts she's been a competent and effective home secretary.
Corbyn is OK on a soap bax (where he belongs) but would be absolutely unmitigated shite, when it comes to keeping the economy on track. Shite. If he wins, WHEN it all goes absolutely completely tits up, as it will, I"ll expect you to come on here and say, "well, I am sorry, I got it completely wrong". Nothing else will do.
May has been a good ..., says who? The Daily Mail et al?
She presided over the home office that has been crippled by the cuts her party pushed through.
She buckled re social care.
If I was facing her I would be pissing myself. She has been shown up, when the bottle merchant showed up that is, to have as much substance as fag smoke on a windy day.
You carry on believing she's strong and stable and whatever else the right wing media try to portray her.
The truth is that is a creation, old shitey tights has shown her true colours as a bottle merchant, stuttering, backflipping weakling.
I'd rather send Keith Chegwin than old Mayday Mayday.
Chippy_boy
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May has been a good ..., says who? The Daily Mail et al?
She presided over the home office that has been crippled by the cuts her party pushed through.
She buckled re social care.
If I was facing her I would be pissing myself. She has been shown up, when the bottle merchant showed up that is, to have as much substance as fag smoke on a windy day.
You carry on believing she's strong and stable and whatever else the right wing media try to portray her.
The truth is that is a creation, old shitey tights has shown her true colours as a bottle merchant, stuttering, backflipping weakling.
I'd rather send Keith Chegwin than old Mayday Mayday.
Clearly you haven't actually read any of my posts about Mrs May.
Doesn't change the fact that Corbyn cannot be trusted however. He's backtracked on all sorts of principles he ever had, simply to try to get elected. We have no idea what he would stand for, nor how he would handle the negotiations. No idea.
He's suggested he will keep us in the Customs Union and Free Trade area. What is his policy when the EU demand (as they are doing) acceptance of free movement and of the supremacy of the ECJ and European courts and laws?
Do you know, because I have no idea. I don't think he has. Seriously.
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Magicpole
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Clearly you haven't actually read any of my posts about Mrs May.
Doesn't change the fact that Corbyn cannot be trusted however. He's backtracked on all sorts of principles he ever had, simply to try to get elected. We have no idea what he would stand for, nor how he would handle the negotiations. No idea.
He's suggested he will keep us in the Customs Union and Free Trade area. What is his policy when the EU demand (as they are doing) acceptance of free movement and of the supremacy of the ECJ and European courts and laws?
Do you know, because I have no idea. I don't think he has. Seriously.
He will do the same as anyone, try and get the best of a terrible situation.
Brexit is like getting a shit sandwhich but being allowed to choose the type of bread.
Mays tough guy bollocks has out EU backs up for the simple reason it was unwarranted and was done to appease the right to vote for her in this election we aren't having until 2020.
We now have an opportunity of persuading them to put away their claws and talk like grown ups and not a shitebag trying to look tough then being shown up as a flapping, mumbling, sound bite twat.
If we win Corbyn will get a more fair deal. May has played the wrong hand. She ain't tough. She ain't quick in her feet. She isn't personable. She looks like the last scarecrow in the scarecrow shop. Left because she looks and acts like a patronising, arrogant, snidely cow, who has believed the right wing hype of her.
She is also hanging out of Trumps arse and this us not a good place to be in the context of EU negotiations.
Corbyn is a better communicator mire human and reasonable and won't go in thinking he's a hard man out to sort Johnny Foreigner out.
That approach is so Thatcher, but as she is currently burning in hell, she can't help May out.
As I said the best deal possible is going to be still shit. I think Corbyn is a far better representative than May. I think I'm a much better rep than May.
I shall await the call.
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MillionMilesAway
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Aren't the negotiations supposed to begin in 2 weeks? We might not have a PM to begin negotiations
In the event of a change of government, the EU had apparently said they would be happy to delay the start.
Do we know how many tory MPs would vote against hard brexit? It would only take a handful now to make it an impossibilty.
It was 30 who would vote against the government. might be a few less now, as not sure who has been ousted
Aren't the negotiations supposed to begin in 2 weeks? We might not have a PM to begin negotiations
Even if May were to stand down, she would stay on (as Cameron did) until a successor is found. But, like Cameron, she would be nothing more than figurehead. Davis would have to lead the initial negotiations. Although initially they're not really negotiations, just each side setting out its position. Nothing much would happen anyway until after the German elections.
I expect the EU negotiators will talk tough about getting on with the negotiations. But behind the scenes they might be happy to allow a new PM time to come up with softer brexit proposals.
It was 30 who would vote against the government. might be a few less now, as not sure who has been ousted
Wasnt it 30 who would vote against a soft brexit?
Wasnt it 30 who would vote against a soft brexit?
At least 128 declared they were part of the remain camp. 30 said they are prepared to vote against a hard brexit.
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if we could have the benefits of the single market, but have control over immigration that would be great. i think both sides would be happy with that. this election even though it should have been wasnt about brexit really, it was about poor leadership and austerity.
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