General Election June 8th

[Chippy_boy]

How about you stop hanging around this thread all day and stop barking at anyone who critisises the government?

On reflection, I'll decline your request.

 

[jay_mcfc]

This might just be the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on Bluemoon.

Or it could be absolutely on the money. Depends on your political persuasion.

 

[inchy14]

I think you are mistaken. If the minimum wage did not exist, employers would have to pay the market rate, or no-one would work for them. Who knows what rate that might be; it could be £8/hour.

And you totally ignore the employers who are volutarily paying more than the minimum wage anyway. Perhaps if you tried to put your bitterness aside, it may not cloud your thinking so much.

Anyway, I am not opposed to a minimum wage; it just needs to be at an affordable level such that it doesn't drive up unemployment and put companies out of business.

Thanks, can't believe more don't see it. Company just keeping itself afloat, raise minimum pay, 2 options, go under or lay some staff off to compensate.

 

[smudgedj]

Are you the Tory guard dog?

Weirdo.

You could always attempt to refute his arguments or cut and paste a jpeg or gif if you can't.

 

[Cheesy]

Or it could be absolutely on the money. Depends on your political persuasion.

Not in this case it doesn't.

Dialogue consists of talking & listening to all sides of the argument. Show me one example of Corbyn talking to Unionist terrorists, sitting on a platform with them or inviting them to the House of Commons.

 

[Ban-jani]

This might just be the biggest load of bollocks I've ever read on Bluemoon.

He's joking I think... I hope

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Where is non? I am not voting for any of this shower of politicians. Seems to me we vote them in and they fuck the country up. They been doing especially well over the last 10 or 15 years.. Both Labour and Cons.

 

[sir baconface]

How has she failed on non EU immigration?

It's come down hugely.

You say yourself it's now 164,000 - what was it in 2010?

Because her target was sub-100,000 for EU and non-EU combined.

 

[jay_mcfc]

Not in this case it doesn't.

Dialogue consists of talking & listening to all sides of the argument. Show me one example of Corbyn talking to Unionist terrorists, sitting on a platform with them or inviting them to the House of Commons.

There are plenty of examples of him talking to and having friendships with Unionists. Some people just don't want to see them.

 

[Blue Mooner]

The Tories plan £32,000,000 more cuts to Counter Terrorism. Not sure this is great for national security!

£32million? That's a drop in the ocean compared to the overall budget for counter terrorism when George Osborne promised an increase in investment of £3.4bn over the following 5 years http://www.cityam.com/229260/autumn...r-terrorism-spending-in-wake-of-paris-attacks

 

[Len Rum]

We're completely ***ed.

Should be interesting when that gets a bit more traction.

 

[shemnel]

yeah - so?

That can easily be sorted within immigration controls

what can?

 

[sir baconface]

Stepping back for a minute (and i'm genuinely interested to know the answer to this), is there anyone on here who still feels as though their mind could be changed either way? I know most of us have firmly nailed our colours to the mast but i was just wondering if there are any undecideds still left.

Not quite, but I have moved from 100% "likely to vote Tory" to "abstain". Over the campaign, I have become increasingly pissed off with May:

• Complacency
• Total misguided bollox on the dementia tax
• Either poorly advised or doesn't listen, resulting in U-turns that make "strong and steady" look laughable
• Wooden style and annoying voice.
• Afraid to appear in public or debate on anything other than her own terms - which doesn't bode well for Brexit negotiations
• Run-down of police numbers now cruelly exposed. (Was never impressed with her performance as Home Sec anyway.)
• Still nothing tangible on immigration despite repeating the targets.

In turn, Corbyn has gone up in my stock. Miles more personable and hard working.

HOWEVER, his anti-business and generally ridiculous economic policies would be a disaster. Furthermore, he's got McDonnell and Abbott to keep company with all the skeletons in his closet.

UKIP have run their course, LibDems still haven't progressed beyond last June and Greens are a dog's breakfast.

So a Tory win with a much-chastised May suits me best but I can't be arsed returning the 50 miles home on Thursday to give them my vote.

 

[cibaman]

Not quite, but I have moved from 100% likely to vote Tory to abstain. Over the campaign, I have become increasingly pissed off with May:

• Complacency
• Total misguided bollox on the dementia tax
• Either poorly advised or doesn't listen, resulting in U-turns that make "strong and steady" look laughable
• Wooden style and annoying voice.
• Afraid to appear in public or debate on anything other than her own terms - which doesn't bode well for Brexit negotiations
• Run-down of police numbers now exposed. (Was never impressed with her performance as Home Sec anyway.)
• Still nothing tangible on immigration despite repeating the targets.

In turn, Corbyn has gone up in my stock. Miles more personable and hard working.

HOWEVER, his anti-business and generally ridiculous economic policies would be a disaster. Furthermore, he's got McDonnell and Abbott.

UKIP have run their course and LibDems still haven't progressed beyond last June.

So a Tory win with a much-chastised May suits me best but I can't be arsed returning the 50 miles home on Thursday to give them my vote.

Excellent summary of the election

 

[Losblue]

How would you rate national security during the last few weeks /10 under this Tory government?

Keep in mind that anyone involved or with prior involvement with the police and intelligence agencies thinks the government are lying and making things worse.

Ermm,let me think.A pair of anti British clowns being allowed to govern national security.It's a difficult decision.No fucking chance.Still voting Tory.

 

[mcfc1632]

Trade requires the movement of people in order to facilitate the trade fact. Companies will want their own trusted people in charge of their investments.

yeah - so?

That can easily be sorted within immigration controls

 

[sir baconface]

Excellent summary of the election

Yeah, and we were laughing up our sleeves at the Yanks just a few months ago. :-(

 

[The Silver Surfer]

what aspect of immigration makes it a 'number one issue' for you?

i've always wondered this (not about you specifically, i mean why it's a massive issue generally)

Because there's too much of it! It cripples the NHS for a start. My wife has had, wait for it, 4 operations cancelled this year alone!

Nevermind ISIS using it as a fucking open door into the country to bomb our families.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Excellent summary of the election

Yes, pretty much.

May's been a fucking disaster. I'm not so annoyed with the policies; it's been the woefully weak presentation of them. Where is she to be seen puffing her chest out about how many lives have been saved by foiled terrorist plots? (We've stopped far more than have got through). Where's the comparisons with the 2,000 lives lost (IIRC) from IRA terrorism, compared with 20x less than that from Islamic extremists through excellent policing and counter-terrorism measures? Bragging about close collaboration across Europe?

There's a reasonable defence here and she's just useless at presenting it.

Likewise the care cost proposals. Do people actually realise that if you are going into residential care, the manifesto proposals BEFORE the u-turn were better? Your home was always going to be included in the means testing. She simply raised the amount you could keep from £23k to £100k. Most people were going to be better off. (I know it adversely affected domiciliary care, but that's not the point. She had an opportunity to present this much better than she did.) And pretending there was no u-turn was also pathetic.

So now, it's miles better than the status quo. £100k to keep instead of £23k AND a cap on your total spend. And yet she's being beaten up over it because she's presented it so badly.

 

[Gabriel]

Not quite, but I have moved from 100% "likely to vote Tory" to "abstain". Over the campaign, I have become increasingly pissed off with May:

• Complacency
• Total misguided bollox on the dementia tax
• Either poorly advised or doesn't listen, resulting in U-turns that make "strong and steady" look laughable
• Wooden style and annoying voice.
• Afraid to appear in public or debate on anything other than her own terms - which doesn't bode well for Brexit negotiations
• Run-down of police numbers now cruelly exposed. (Was never impressed with her performance as Home Sec anyway.)
• Still nothing tangible on immigration despite repeating the targets.

In turn, Corbyn has gone up in my stock. Miles more personable and hard working.

HOWEVER, his anti-business and generally ridiculous economic policies would be a disaster. Furthermore, he's got McDonnell and Abbott to keep company with all the skeletons in his closet.

UKIP have run their course, LibDems still haven't progressed beyond last June and Greens are a dog's breakfast.

So a Tory win with a much-chastised May suits me best but I can't be arsed returning the 50 miles home on Thursday to give them my vote.

I suspect that's a fairly accurate reflection of how many feel. It certainly doesn't appear as if May will receive the ringing endorsement she believed she needed to negotiate, lest we forget 'healing the divisions'. Think many living much closer to their polling stations than you will be opting out of this one.