Post Match Thread: Election 2017

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Without doubt Corbyn is a great orator and really can motivate people. As a leader I'd say he's the best Labour has had (save possibly John Smith), and yes I include Blair and Kinnonck in that number.

For me, the trouble is whilst he's a great speaker and very engaging, the message he was delivering was way off key in a few crucial places.

May ran the worst ever election campaign. It will be the subject of many lessons learned debates.
 
BlueAnorak said:
The astonishing thing about this election is where the UKIP vote went - most went to Labour.
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Does this mean Labour has adopted a large number of "uneducated racists" to their party support?

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Gelsons Dad said:
Not true. They want an open border with the south. You have misunderstood that to mean remaining in the single market.
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If you want to play mischief have at it. If everything is tickety-boo, what's the problem the DUP has with special status?

https://www.theguardian.com/politic...es-corbyn-may-election-results-live-news-line

The Democratic Unionists will only support a Conservative government if Northern Ireland is not granted any unique special status that would keep the region halfway inside the EU, the party’s leader at Westminster has confirmed.

Nigel Dodds, who was re-elected in his North Belfast seat, said the DUP would insist that there would be no post-Brexit deal that could de-couple Northern Ireland from the rest of the UK.

It will be one of the DUP’s key preconditions in negotiations with the Tories to help them form a new administration.

With one eye on the Brexit negotiations, which begin within the next 10 to 11 days, Dodds said: “There are special circumstances in Northern Ireland and we will try to make sure these are recognised.

“As regards demands for special status within the European Union, no. Because that would create tariffs and barriers between Northern Ireland and our single biggest market which is the rest of the United Kingdom.

“While we will focus on the special circumstances, geography and certain industries of Northern Ireland, we will be pressing that home very strongly. Special status however within the European Union is a nonsense.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
On a night where no one seemed to Win - Corbyn can hold his head high, a great campaign with a costed Manifesto - came across passionate and genuine in debates and speeches, the right wing smear campaign against him truly backfired, all the IRA crap against him, the jeers he got when he addressed real concerns from the public in PMQ's
- May and Torys announced this election because they were very confident of a outright majority, now seats down and clinging on to power banking on the DUP. interesting times ahead.
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He bought the vote of the young and public sector by giving away money the country cant afford and taxing the private sector. Not a hard thing to do. He was up against a party living in the real world repairing the last labour mess and telling the truth that we cant just keep spending and we have a huge deficit.
 
MillionMilesAway said:
You may want to review many of your postings over the last week for 'confrontational and rude'. You wrote something which was spinning like mad.
MPs probably are aware.
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I'm fully aware of how I've responded to being insulted in the past. Perhaps you failed to notice the 600 pages of labour supporters calling Tories "cunts".

FWIW, I was not "spinning" anything. You could have just said "actually, that's the rules". Was the "a ridulous phrase, even for you", really necessary?

Anyway, moving on...
 
May's stoop seems to be getting worse with each passing day. Clearly struggling under the pressure of a very poor campaign. She's lost any authority she once had.
 
Those Tory numbers in Scotland are astonishing an average 15% increase in the vote share. Ruth Davidson is a winner. Her one nation Conservative/Unionism has gone down a storm with the Scots.
 
Blue Llama said:
No chance, she may not have got everything she wanted but she got the main thing. This election call by May has always been about getting 3 more years after Brexit. Her original explanation was always going to look cynical and manipulative but this real target would have been too cynical to have been open about. Whichever party is in charge will have a load of fallout to deal with after Brexit. The remains won't be happy anyway. There will be millions who don't like some aspects of the negotiated terms etc etc. Any election in 2020 would be too close to Brexit for the Tories to win, now they get an extra 3 years to ride out the storm. She got what she wanted.
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We will see who is right. She doesn't have the strength to hold together a minority government even if she had made a good fist of the campaign. Fact is she has been diabolical. There is 0% chance that this is what she wanted. She was arrogant enough to think the tories would walk this. A number of things have done for her along with her campaign: Corbyn has established himself as a credible and dare I say it, charismatic leader of the Labour Party and has engaged a lot of the populace during his campaign. More controversial and very much a personal view, her 'enough is enough' speech following the London terrorist attack really did it for me. As Home Secretary, she has been responsible for keeping us safe. That speech outside Downing Street was almost like she was coming at the situation fresh and outlined initiatives that should have been in place years ago. Add that to the decimation of Police numbers. She is a dead politician walking.
 
Chippy_boy said:
I'm fully aware of how I've responded to being insulted in the past. Perhaps you failed to notice the 600 pages of labour supporters calling Tories "cunts".

FWIW, I was not "spinning" anything. You could have just said "actually, that's the rules". Was the "a ridulous phrase, even for you", really necessary?

Anyway, moving on...
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I had. Corbyn's a terrorist was quite popular as well.

It was a ridiculous phrase.
The 'even for you' was based on the spin applied - if the 'even' had been left out of your statement, it would have been fine.
 
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dickie davies said:
Strange innit!
Corbyn's supposedly done brilliantly, yet he's only seven seats up on Gordon Brown's last GE showing
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Anyone who thinks Corbyn didn't have a good night is doing him a d
worsleyweb said:
He bought the vote of the young and public sector by giving away money the country cant afford and taxing the private sector. Not a hard thing to do. He was up against a party living in the real world repairing the last labour mess and telling the truth that we cant just keep spending and we have a huge deficit.
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lol
 
Even if she does get the DUP to get her over the line she is weakened by this and Corbyn has emerged as a proper opposition leader.
 
worsleyweb said:
He bought the vote of the young and public sector by giving away money the country cant afford and taxing the private sector. Not a hard thing to do. He was up against a party living in the real world repairing the last labour mess and telling the truth that we cant just keep spending and we have a huge deficit.
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Didnt see anything to drastic in the manifesto - £10 min wage as opposed to Torys £9 and corperation tax to go up to same level as the Torys in 2010

nothing was that pie in the sky
 
BlueAnorak said:
Those Tory numbers in Scotland are astonishing an average 15% increase in the vote share. Ruth Davidson is a winner. Her one nation Conservative/Unionism has gone down a storm with the Scots.
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If she could do it up there, she could do it in England. Always had respect for her and she seems an ideal choice at least to be considered to become Conservative leader.
 
worsleyweb said:
He bought the vote of the young and public sector by giving away money the country cant afford and taxing the private sector. Not a hard thing to do. He was up against a party living in the real world repairing the last labour mess and telling the truth that we cant just keep spending and we have a huge deficit.
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Yep. As I said previously, considering how utter woeful May's campaign has been, and considering that Labour bought so many student votes and others, they would be wise to sit and think "why did we not win, and what do we need to change, so we can win in the future". The conservatives will sure as hell be sitting down to analyse what went wrong (that should not take more than 2 minutes imo). But Labour should do the same. It's no use being a party of protest, which is one of the main reasons why Labour MP's refused to back Corbyn previously. He's done much better than they imagined. Much, much better. And still lost.
 
I think the interesting thing here is that the UKIP vote split and ended them as any sort of credible outlet. Also the cracks started to show in the SNP vote in Scotland.

So now in England it's straight Labour v Conservative again with all the UKIP vote gone to one or the other. And in Scotland it's Labour/Tory v SNP.

I've not looked at the figures in detail but off the top of my head I reckon if Labour can engineer something like a 2.5% swing from Tory/SNP next time (and that will be sooner rather than later) they will have a great chance of taking power.
 
I voted Tory but my vote was swallowed up by the shaking hunched embarrassingly uninspiring incumbent PM. Yeah the Tories won the general election in real terms but considering I was only voting Tory because of my want of a hard Brexit it hasn't given May the firm platform she thought she was going to get when she called the election. As a democrat first I firmly believe the will of the people should be listened to, this election gave people a voice and depending how both main parties react to this result will impact on negotiations in our breakaway.
Labour and particularly Jeremy Corbyn must be happy with the result, the SNP have taken a beating and the 2ref must now be in doubt for Scottish independence, I'm not sure what to make of the result other than commending the old geography teacher doing so well and appealing to young voters and those wanting real change whatever the cost.
 
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