Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[Chippy_boy]

Because the party was never in a position to win this election for reasons that are screamingly obvious.

Would I be putting words in your mouth to assume you believe that is because the "system" is so slanted against you? And nothing to do with Corbyn and his ideals, not actually appealing to a majority of voters?

 

[Gabriel]

Or they will grow up and start moving to the right as normally happens.

That's what I thought, but I'm starting to think that older people have generally underestimated just how little 'young people' have invested in society. With little hope of owning a property, with job security extremely uncertain, and with education costly or unobtainable, it could be that that established pattern has been broken. Will be interesting to see how young people voted across the country and not just in 'student' dominated constituencies.

 

[Gray]

Pensioners gave May a kicking over her proposal to scrap the triple-lock pension increase.

Young voters who have never worked and never paid taxes mainly voted Labour.

The reduction in police numbers fell squarely at the ex-Home Secretary's door.

Corbyn gained from all these things, not from his policies.

 

[kinkyisno.1]

All heading for a 2nd ref.

 

[bonespost]

Just can't put my finger on what you would call them ................

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

All heading for a 2nd ref.

how ? labour/ tories/ dup all accept the eu result. there could be one on the final deal, but we are leaving.

 

[Damocles]

McDonnel said himself last night that May had the mandate and to say she didn't was ridiculous.

So which is it?

McDonnell was wrong then. There's absolutely no way this can be span into the Tories having a mandate on anything.

Wouldn't it be nice if it meant people in the Commons had to work together to find mutually agreeable legislation instead of appealing to their outer bases?

Oh what a world that would be

 

[Chippy_boy]

You do my head in, look at the labour party today! Look at the membership! The MPs, the media coverage, this is everything Labour supporters could have hoped for short of victory and victory was never a real possibility.

And you mine, my friend. And you mine.

Had the Tories not run such a diabolically awful campaign with such a dismal leader, your party would have been slaughtered. Because not enough people think that the ideals you support are what they want or what we need. It's as simple as that. Most Labour MP's get this, which is why Corbyn has been so terribly unpopular in his own parliamentary party. Doubtless they will be surprised that he did better than expected, but you still lost against a shockingly bad Tory party after 6 years of austerity. If Corbyn cannot win in that environment, he's peddling the wrong stuff.

The sooner you and people like you start to get your head around that, the sooner you'll have a chance of actually running the country.

 

[Gabriel]

McDonnel said himself last night that May had the mandate and to say she didn't was ridiculous.

So which is it?

Personally, I still hold to the idea that people vote for a party rather than the person, so I thought May (or any prime minister) naturally had a mandate. The media, however, is relentless in pursuing this idea that each prime minister needs to be elected as such. I therefore cannot see how any new leader would escape similar scrutiny and attack.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Would I be putting words in your mouth to assume you believe that is because the "system" is so slanted against you? And nothing to do with Corbyn and his ideals, not actually appealing to a majority of voters?

No, the Labour party is still at the fag end of an internal civil war.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

Weren't they discussing the suggestion of a special arrangement for NI whereby it remained in the single market after the rest of UK left? Didnt he say that if the rest of the UK opted for a hard brexit that had to cover NI too (albeit with a "soft border").

I'm not sure mate had it on in the background and thought I heard Peston say the DUP wanted a hard Brexit but wanted to retain a soft border with The Republic it's why I asked as some earlier posters were saying the DUP were for staying in the EU

 

[Chippy_boy]

Exactly. Either May or her advisors decided it was a foregone conclusion that they would win a big majority and decided to stick things in the manifesto that they knew would be unpopular but they wanted to use this opportunity to drive through - fox hunting for example. I mean ffs, all that's going on in the world and they decided that re-introducing fox hunting was worth even mentioning in the campaign. They offered nothing to make people look forward to the future, just more corporate style 'cost cutting' governance where the majority of people would be screwed. I started this election campaign without a question that I would vote tory. They totally drove me away with their miserable campaign and to give Corbyn credit his manifesto may have been overly optimistic but at least it was optimistic and you could accept he genuinely believed in what he was proposing and that it was for people's benefit rather than just reeling off soundbites from strategists.

Spot on. May took the opportunity to put shit in there, based on a mistaken belief that she was invincible.

 

[kinkyisno.1]

how ? labour/ tories/ dup all accept the eu result. there could be one on the final deal, but we are leaving.

I hope so.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

You're ignoring the fact SF never take their seats in that but I don't understand your point.

I'm not ignoring SF at all, hence the need for 6 MP's to disagree or not turn up rather than 3, for her to lose. 2010 was an agreed, formal coalition. This loose arrangement is doomed to end before the end of the year.

 

[Skip Donoghue]

After accusing Corbyn of being a terrorists sympathiser May gets into bed with terrorist sympathisers. Oh, they're homophobes and anti women's rights too.
This country is great

It's mad ain't it WTF is going on....

 

[tshirtman]

Just googled them - I am.

You're happy with a party that terrorise school children (Google, Holy Cross)

you're happy with a party that is anti-abortion

you're happy with a party that is against LGBT rights

you're happy with a party that are climate change deniers

???

 

[Gray]

Spot on. May took the opportunity to put shit in there, based on a mistaken belief that she was invincible.

Shockingly week leader with a dismal campaign performance, she will soon be gone when Graham Brady gets the requisite number of letters from Tory MP's requesting a leadership ballot.

 

[hilts]

It's mad ain't it WTF is going on....

The whole political scene is a farse to be honest

 

[Indaparkside]

Pensioners gave May a kicking over her proposal to scrap the triple-lock pension increase.

Young voters who have never worked and never paid taxes mainly voted Labour.

The reduction in police numbers fell squarely at the ex-Home Secretary's door.

Corbyn gained from all these things, not from his policies.

Typical Tory response, may did shite because of her not so good manifesto, no show on face to face debates because she knew she wouldn't beat Mr corbyn on it , she was drinking tea on a sports field while he was out campaigning, she should do the decent thing and fuck off

 

[kinkyisno.1]

Thank God.