Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[vonkeynotvenky]

That's not really the case mate. I have attached an article from the telegraph showing where the immigrants come from. It's a year or two old gives some perspective.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/gen...he-Britains-migrants-coming-from-and-why.html

A lot depends on where you live so, for
example, Many Portuguese are helping farming in East Anglia and Lincolnshire.

Fewer skilled Easter Europeans are now coming here because we are seen as a less welcoming country.

Thanks mate.

 

[blueinsa]

Then the phony war is over, if we leave then the consequences of leaving must be fully known and embraced by the leavers, it should be the leavers asking for more detail not the remainers. After all this is what you wanted, embrace it, own it, if you continue to live in a cake and eat it fantasy don't cry when you wake up one morning to find something you didn't want.

My point exactly. The majority dont want to wake up in 2 years time and still be in something they didn't want....the EU.

Cake and eat it describes those who think we can cherry pick being in the single market still or allowing free movement etc.

We cant as we have to leave, lock stock and barrel.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

This is new territory isn't it? Everything is up in the air and negotiations haven't started yet. But as a leaver and with my bias I can see that Frau Merkel seems to have a bigger voice than all other EU leaders a voice we never seemed to have. That alone makes me want out at any cost.

It is new territory but we are already losing out yet still paying our £10billion net into the EU. Scientific centres are leaving the EU for other Countries and our Universities are being excluded from partnering with Other countries to bid for EU research funding. We need to become more self-reliant and build on where we are world leaders e.g. Genomics.

Germany are one of 27 Countries who will vote on any EU exit deal with us and they are the richest nation in the EU. Their companies would still thrive even if selling to us becomes more expensive.

 

[The perfect fumble]

My point exactly. The majority dont want to wake up in 2 years time and still be in something they didn't want....the EU.

Cake and eat it describes those who think we can cherry pick being in the single market still or allowing free movement etc.

We cant as we have to leave, lock stock and barrel.

Then as a leaver, who is keen to embrace it, tell me what will leave look like for the average man or woman on the street five years hence, for jobs, inflation, housing, living standards, services?

 

[blueinsa]

Then as a leaver, who is keen to embrace it, tell me what will leave look like for the average man or woman on the street five years hence, for jobs, inflation, housing, living standards, services?

With a Labour government in place.....much better imo.

Under this government......no difference and if there is, much worse as they continue hell bent on their austerity crusade which is borne of ideology rather than necessity.

The ordinary man in the street wants to just go to work, for a decent wage and be able to pay his bills, put food on the table and have a bit left over to enjoy with his family and a government not having to pay in the EU every week should be in a position to redirect those funds into improving our society.

Simplistic view no doubt but then over complicating it is what a small few want to do for their own purposes imo.

 

[mcfc1632]

I don't make snide comments to appear clever.

You appear to have made a wrong assumption there

You were not the poster I had in mind when mentioning snide comments - I just happened to be replying to your post

I did actually mention a couple of names and then remembered the CoC

 

[adrianr]

You appear to have made a wrong assumption there

You were not the poster I had in mind when mentioning snide comments - I just happened to be replying to your post

I don't think that's what he meant.

 

[Damocles]

I don't make snide comments to appear clever.

Indeed, it's just a byproduct :)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

What has Davis ever done to lead you to believe that?

The vibe I pick up from him.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

Have the chances of Brexit actually happening at all reduced because of this election result?

 

[vonkeynotvenky]

Have the chances of Brexit actually happening at all reduced because of this election result?

Not at all Brexit is happening.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Have the chances of Brexit actually happening at all reduced because of this election result?

Yes.

 

[mcfc1632]

Have the chances of Brexit actually happening at all reduced because of this election result?

If you class Brexit as having at least 2 from 3 of:

1. Control of borders - Ending Free Movement

2. Control of Money - Reducing by at least 50% our annual contributions to the EU

3. Control of laws - UK courts rather than ECJ having supremacy

Then the answer (IMO) is that the chances are not so much reduced as zero now.

I am that certain that I will now try and lose all interest in the topic - it can only lead to drawn out frustration/irritation

 

[JWBlueman]

Have the chances of Brexit actually happening at all reduced because of this election result?

Quite possibly.

The forces of the ultra hard right, hard right, the right, centre right,and suburban left (i.e.: camouflaged right) have been determined to eradicate the democratic wishes of the men and women who voted against the neoliberal, bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs, European Union. The body that expressly forbids even remotely socialist policies, the body that if it existed would have forbidden Attlee from creating the NHS, would have forbidden the building of millions of new homes after the war, would have slashed the spending necessary to implement the 1944 education act.

We're back to a choice between a right wing establishment in hock to banks and big business on the one hand and a right wing establishment in hocks to banks and big business on the other.

And lo! Did the people rejoice at the hidden subjugation of the little man.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

I was thinking along the lines of a Tory government not now being able to force the deal they get through Parliament. The remainers in their party, including Ruth Davidson, won't accept no access to the single market.

If the Tories wanted to get their hard Brexit deal through does a 2nd referendum now make sense to them?

 

[smudgedj]

What has Davis ever done to lead you to believe that?

There are things we know about Davis; his determination, his single mindedness, his stamina, mentally tough, self-disciplined, and he's been tortured for 24 hours. So he'll be able to put up with the EU nonsense lol

 

[smudgedj]

Have the chances of Brexit actually happening at all reduced because of this election result?

No, both main parties stated brexit was going ahead. It's always possible that May called the election to water down Brexit. It was well documented in the press (if you can believe them) that Davis was going to replaced by a 'remainer' That's no longer happening.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

No, both main parties stated brexit was going ahead. It's always possible that May called the election to water down Brexit. It was well documented in the press (if you can believe them) that Davis was going to replaced by a 'remainer' That's no longer happening.

the vast majority of the voting public have voted for Brexit on Thursday. It's gone up from 52% to 84%. So there's clearly a mandate for Brexit and we should just get on with it.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

Yes.

both labour and the conservatives ran their election campaigns on leaving the eu. both also ran on ending freedom of movement.... over 80% of the electorate voted for pro brexit parties... the public want to leave, so i can't see how they can reverse the decision already taken.

 

[The perfect fumble]

both labour and the conservatives ran their election campaigns on leaving the eu. both also ran on ending freedom of movement.... over 80% of the electorate voted for pro brexit parties... the public want to leave, so i can't see how they can reverse the decision already taken.

Events, dear boy, events.