Post Match Thread: Election 2017

[BlueAnorak]

She's in a minority then chap.... once she gets to Consultant you are telling me she won't see private patients... not me who needs to wobble my head

Well she's so good that she's going into medical accademia in the long term, so yes, no private practice for her.
As an asside why can't doctors and surgeons do part time private practice?
They will have done at least 16 years hard labour working all hours learning to be a specialist doctor or specialist surgeon at a salary that is a pittance compared with their piers at university got in other fields in the the private sector.
Allowing consultants to do part time private work saves the NHS a fortune in paying the correct rate for the job.
It's a win win situation as far as I'm concerned which if changed would dramatically lower the standard of medical care in the NHS and/or dramatically increase medical salaries in the NHS.

 

[cibaman]

Perhaps I should have said more left of centre but the sentiments the same.

Anyway it looks like the media aren't going to let this DUP thing rest. Hardly surprising, despite all moral issues being raised, it's not even a formal coalition. Constitutionally, is that even allowed?

Yes. The Lib Lab pact in the 70's wasnt a formal coalition. As long as the government can count on them in a vote of confidence it doesnt matter how formal the alliance is.

I agree that many of the DUP's views are morally repugnant but I dont really see them being able to influence social policy in the rest of the UK. The greater concern must be the affect on the fragile power sharing arrangement in NI. If Labour were in power and reached an agreement with Sinn Fein whereby they took their seats and supported Labour there would rightly be outrage.

 

[law74]

Yes. The Lib Lab pact in the 70's wasnt a formal coalition. As long as the government can count on them in a vote of confidence it doesnt matter how formal the alliance is.

I agree that many of the DUP's views are morally repugnant but I dont really see them being able to influence social policy in the rest of the UK. The greater concern must be the affect on the fragile power sharing arrangement in NI. If Labour were in power and reached an agreement with Sinn Fein whereby they took their seats and supported Labour there would rightly be outrage.

The outrage would be fiercest within the republican movement.
This "arrangement" will be the making of the devolved administration in Northern Ireland imho.
In January SF collapsed the assembly, and since the DUP & SF were re-elected as the largest parties, neither would agree on the terms of the administration, with SF seemingly willing for a return to direct rule.
I can't see them willing to do that now.

 

[bluemoonmatt]

Corbyn sacked his cabinet two or three times didn't he,his party was in full revolt and he didn't have to resign ,but May has to resign because she won an election,doesnt make sense

hate to break this to you mate, our system is very clear. There is a winning post, and she didn't get to it, therefore she didn't win. Nor by any stretch did anyone else, but let's be clear, in our system an election victory requires an outright majority.

 

[City Raider]

Yes. The Lib Lab pact in the 70's wasnt a formal coalition. As long as the government can count on them in a vote of confidence it doesnt matter how formal the alliance is.

I agree that many of the DUP's views are morally repugnant but I dont really see them being able to influence social policy in the rest of the UK. The greater concern must be the affect on the fragile power sharing arrangement in NI. If Labour were in power and reached an agreement with Sinn Fein whereby they took their seats and supported Labour there would rightly be outrage.

I guess there's also something about it being more natural for a newly elected party with no overall control to try and form a majority. But we have a party that had a majority the day before yesterday, now having to bend over to form a government.

 

[Bluemanc100]

Well she's so good that she's going into medical accademia in the long term, so yes, no private practice for her.
As an asside why can't doctors and surgeons do part time private practice?
They will have done at least 16 years hard labour working all hours learning to be a specialist doctor or specialist surgeon at a salary that is a pittance compared with their piers at university got in other fields in the the private sector.
Allowing consultants to do part time private work saves the NHS a fortune in paying the correct rate for the job.
It's a win win situation as far as I'm concerned which if changed would dramatically lower the standard of medical care in the NHS and/or dramatically increase medical salaries in the NHS.

who said they shouldn't capitalise on their talents, not me... I simply meant that during the working life of a successful NHS slash Private Consultant, the clerical side of the NHS is key but not their main focus I would say

 

[bluemoonmatt]

I've checked properly and there are 52 seats that are easily winnable for Labour with a small (up to 2.5%) swing from the Conservatives & SNP. That would effectively turn the current position around with Labour having the bulk of the seats but just short of an overall majority.

You don't make a bad point pb but equally I saw a good article in the indi saying much the same, they did though flip it and there are as many if not more seats that require a minor Tory swing and she'd have her majority, some seats have fewer than 75 votes in it iirc. It's all ifs and buts.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I was doing some work for Lloyds Bank last year and their director of Pubic Affairs was Benedict Brogan, who was formerly Chief Political Editor at the Daily Telegraph. He said then that May's big problem was that she was very insular and didn't spend any time building personal support among MP's. If you don't have that and things go tits-up then you've nobody who'll speak up for you or who will have any interest in supporting you when you need that. She has no power base in the party and they'll ditch her soon for someone who has.

 

[Gabriel]

What a fucking mess.

You need to go back to 1977-1979 to see the last time a Confidence and Supply arrangement was in place to govern at Westminster, and the fortunes of the Liberal and Labour parties went into steep decline afterwards. That, of course, came around after a by-election defeat in the middle of a parliament. You have to go way back to 1929 for the last time a UK government 'started' with such an arrangement following the 'Flapper' election in 1929. That arrangement struggled along for two years.

 

[1.618034]

Northern Ireland politics is in a mess, and May getting to bed with Arlene Foster (ugh) is not a great move, at all.

Good thread from Twatter on why...



It needs opening to see the whole thing.

(sorry if already posted)