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Metalartin said:
Bit over the top but I agree with the gist of that, anyone using Harts time in Italy to say he wouldn't have done any better is just fooling themselves, he never once had season as bad as Bravo did at City... he'd have saved us more points but we probably still wouldn't have won the league with that defence and the wastefulness upfront.
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You are right, we would have done loads better with Joe in nets, but a bit hard on the defence, a lot of that was due to how we were set up in front of the defence
 
Metalartin said:
Bit over the top but I agree with the gist of that, anyone using Harts time in Italy to say he wouldn't have done any better is just fooling themselves, he never once had season as bad as Bravo did at City... he'd have saved us more points but we probably still wouldn't have won the league with that defence and the wastefulness upfront.
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I will disagree. Hart was no where near the level we wanted to play at and to accommodate him, pep would have lost a season embedding his ethos. Sorry but that is IMO much closer to the truth IMO
 
mosssideblue said:
I will disagree. Hart was no where near the level we wanted to play at and to accommodate him, pep would have lost a season embedding his ethos. Sorry but that is IMO much closer to the truth IMO
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Nah I disagree with that though, we didn't just have Hart we had Willy too and I think we can all agree Willy was better than Bravo last season... maybe Bravo was able to pass on his knowlege to Willy to help him but that's about all we really gained from the move so far. Also maybe he can turn it around this season but weren't we saying we don't have time to be giving a player a season to settle(does it matter if it's into the system or the club in the end?) to Hart in the first place?
 
Metalartin said:
Nah I disagree with that though, we didn't just have Hart we had Willy too and I think we can all agree Willy was better than Bravo last season... maybe Bravo was able to pass on his knowlege to Willy to help him but that's about all we really gained from the move so far. Also maybe he can turn it around this season but weren't we saying we don't have time to be giving a player a season to settle(does it matter if it's into the system or the club in the end?) to Hart in the first place?
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Of the three keepers, Hart was always the one going to be cast aside. Pep obviously had looked at Hart prior to his appointment and saw enough evidence that he wasn't for him.
 
mosssideblue said:
Of the three keepers, Hart was always the one going to be cast aside. Pep obviously had looked at Hart prior to his appointment and saw enough evidence that he wasn't for him.
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We didn't need 3 keepers though, the point is in hindsight even if it was a case of Willy being number1 with Hart coming in to play games where the shot stopping is paramount it would have been better(we'd have saved points and money to buy this summer... and less bm arguing too haha). That's hindsight though going into the season I can see why Pep felt he needed a keeper it just didn't pan out the way we wanted and we should admit to that.

I'm not calling to bring Hart back what's done is done, I can see the reasons why a decision is made sometimes even if I don't quite agree, if it makes sense "on paper" as they say but if in reality it turns out to be a mistake we should just call it as it is and then move on.
 
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Metalartin said:
We didn't need 3 keepers though, the point is in hindsight even if it was a case of Willy being number1 with Hart coming in to play games where the shot stopping is paramount it would have been better(we'd have saved points and money to buy this summer... and less bm arguing too haha). That's hindsight though going into the season I can see why Pep felt he needed a keeper it just didn't pan out the way we wanted and we should admit to that.
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I honestly don't think we would have but lets leave it there.
 
ancoats said:
joe hart is manchester city or was and from last season with bravo or willy joe hart would have done a better job

city legends and fans favourite don't go to united i know lots have done it before but how many was winners in a city shirt first joe being cut off from the team squad was nothing to do with the football side of things its was about power and joe hart too much at manchester city and pep needed to show the others who is boss around here from now on

you don't win league titles and golden gloves and become shit over night many fans are cheap hitters calling joe shit now pep does not want him at the club for me joe hart is world class and going to united if DDG leaves makes them the same still having a world class keeper joe can be unbreakable on his day and still very young for a keeper and still got 10 years in the game if he stays fit

the kick in the teeth could be if united sign joe and wins silverware and league titles and becomes the best keep in england you all now how it works with the media and a red shirt the hype becomes over night joe wants to be loved again and if united take him i would bet the fans would quickly take joe to there hearts
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I get sentiment, I get the Bravo comparison, I dont get how it is a kick in Peps teeth. Pep doesn't rate him, end of fucking story. Kick in the fans teeth, yup got that. Him traveling to the other side is brilliant for every city fan, in recent form De Gea is better than super Joe, which means they would be a weaker squad with joe between the Jumpers.
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Metalartin said:
Bit over the top but I agree with the gist of that, anyone using Harts time in Italy to say he wouldn't have done any better is just fooling themselves, he never once had season as bad as Bravo did at City... he'd have saved us more points but we probably still wouldn't have won the league with that defence and the wastefulness upfront.

It's true he gets far more criticism when he makes the same mistakes as others(not even at a higher frequency either). I think just a matter of at his best he's and exceptional shot stopper at his worst frustrating because you know he could have saved it had he been focused, most of the time he's just been a very good keeper he's had his lows and highs in terms of form but if anything he's spent more time showing his best form than his worst.

Having said that there's a lot of hypocrisy from fans regarding the keeper situation when you really think about it:
One the one hand we have those adamant Hart wasn't good enough(bollocks about not being able to dive left and the like) and Bravo would be miles better who still can't bring themselves to admit they were proved wrong last season(Hart and Willy would probably have save us money and points). As a defense they will tell you he was unsettled and not showing his best form for us(which isn't wrong) but then amusing they quickly clamber to tell people of Harts season in Italy so "Harts still shit you see". We've had to shell out again in a short space of time, where we would have been able keep Willy had it gone to plan but we move on.

On the other hand we have those who value Harts loyalty and service to the club who perhaps afford him more patience than we should allow as a club in our position. They supported him to the extent of jumping on Bravos back before he'd even played a game for us, in the latest tournament in Russia he showed what Pep and many others already knew, he's a very good keeper on his day but he hasn't been convincing in a City shirt unfortunately.
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so many great points

i think joe just needs to be loved by the manager and a team that are winners. all the teams that have been talked about are middle of the road teams that target 40 points a season in just staying up joe would end up sloppy and just do enough to stay in the team he needs a bigger clubs and better targets just like at manchester city and you don't win golden gloves 4 times if your a shit keeper and he is world class and any other team joe hart would be a king in the media

i hate what city fans think of joe hart now and what did he do wrong really and for many on here to hate him and slag him off is a joke
we have to back pep in this and all the best managers get it wrong sometimes i just hope pep and city don't have to be proved wrong by joe hart in a red shirt
 
Has someone merged the Joe Hart thread into this?
 
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