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If we're selling Delph and Fernando, and Garcia's going out on loan, then surely we need another DM, especially considering the age of Dinho and Yaya.

Not seeing many links to CM's, but I'm hoping of one!
 
domalino said:
So antagonising United and getting media attention from their supporters was the only reason, the main reason we are currently owned by Mansour today, as almir is saying, or was it just another incidental?

If that's what you heard, that the only reason he owns us is United, I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
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No, he didn't say it was the only reason, did he? I read you say it wasn't even a consideration, but it definitely was at our end mate. We pushed it as a major selling point, certainly as much as we did the stadium and the support. Truth is no single issue swung it, but it may not have happened without all of them. We were the perfect soup for them.
 
Adebayor said:
If we're selling Delph and Fernando, and Garcia's going out on loan, then surely we need another DM, especially considering the age of Dinho and Yaya.

Not seeing many links to CM's, but I'm hoping of one!
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Danilo was bought to provide cover not just for RB and LB, but also CDM. Between Gundogan, Fernandinho and Yaya though I think we'll be fine in that position.

Next summer it's probably going to be the priority position though as we'll likely let Yaya go and extend Fernandinho's contract by only one seaosn
 
Adebayor said:
If we're selling Delph and Fernando, and Garcia's going out on loan, then surely we need another DM, especially considering the age of Dinho and Yaya.

Not seeing many links to CM's, but I'm hoping of one!
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I'd like to see Stones there where there's less pressure on his defensive work. Makes sense too if we are in the market for another CB.
 
BucksBlue said:
Just a few pieces to fit in the jigsaw.
What a squad.
The triangles Walker-De Bruyne-Sterling and Mendy-D Silva-Sane are going to be awesome.

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A: Sanchez
B: Foden. I know he's young but with D. Silva, B. Silva, De Bruyne and Gundogan capable of filling that position I think he'll be fine for league cup and the odd 20 mins in the league when we're winning by 2 or 3.
C/D: A new CB that can also play LB. Plus with Adarabioyo filling a similar role to what I suggested Foden could fill in the midfield.

I'd also keep Roberts in the squad unless a loan opportunity to a premier league or la liga club came up. He stands to gain nothing from going out on loan to Celtic again.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
No, he didn't say it was the only reason, did he? I read you say it wasn't even a consideration, but it definitely was at our end mate. We pushed it as a major selling point, certainly as much as we did the stadium and the support. Truth is no single issue swung it, but it may not have happened without all of them. We were the perfect soup for them.
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Oil producers like the Bin Ladens from Saudi Arabia got into bed with Bush and were able to buy massive amounts of land and factories particularly within Texas. In other words they invested their dollars.
I see our owner doing a similar thing via his CFG Holding on a global scale using football as the catalyst of introduction.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Just a guess of the money to come, adding to the sales so far, should recoup about £120m.

Nacho £25m
Delph £12m
Fernando £8m
Bony £14m
Nasri £13m
Mangala £15m
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So if we can shift those six we can get three in;

Left Back
Centre Half
Striker


Considering all the ins and outs that have happened so far that's still a lot to do by the end of August. Virtually a deal every 4 days.

Revolution rather than evolution.

Interesting times right till the end of the window.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
Just a guess of the money to come, adding to the sales so far, should recoup about £120m.

Nacho £25m
Delph £12m
Fernando £8m
Bony £14m
Nasri £13m
Mangala £15m
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I would be shocked if we can sell Mangala and Nasri. I can see those 2 and Hart being the 3 loanees. Also only think Swansea will pay £8-10m for Bony. Fernando probably only £5m as well.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Same thing was said about Busquets early on.

They are very similar players and I have advocated for Stones to become our "pivot" DM for quite some time (from even before he signed).
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I lean with Stretford on this one. Feels like Pep wants to take technically gifted players and move them further back (into defense), rather than take technically adequate players and move them further up (into midfield). Stones is potentially gifted for a central defender (I know there are arguments about his mistakes, but I hopefully chalk them up to nerves/inexperience). He's pretty woeful by central midfielder standards though. When you think of players who Pep has placed in that role prior, John isn't anywhere near their standards on a technical level.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Same thing was said about Busquets early on.

They are very similar players and I have advocated for Stones to become our "pivot" DM for quite some time (from even before he signed).
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Just don't think he's got the ability or the brain busquets had to play that DM midfield role comfortably, I think he'd be lost playing there IMO but I do see the similarities between them both the way they play, I rate stones highly as a centre back only.
 
StretfordBlueReece said:
Sorry but stones definitely isn't a defensive midfielder
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He might not be, but it's worth a try or two given he's already in the squad. I've not been too impressed with him at CB and we can't write off a near £50m player. The pivot doesn't need to be particularly mobile as that box-to-box element is fulfilled by the two '8's and the full backs (who are now much more dynamic. The pivot just needs to be able to watch the game in front of them and understand where there might be danger or possibilities to overload in attack. I think Stones has a very good football brain, can play a pass and can contain himself to the role (I always worry about Toure or Gundogan wandering upfield and Fernandinho putting out fires a long way from his position). I don't think the pivot actually requires a technically brilliant player (Bayern certainly had better technical players than Lahm, and Barcelona Busquets), but a player with the greatest understanding of understanding, digesting and strategising about what the current state of affairs is on the field.

Kind of like how the best battlefield generals needn't be the best fighters.
 
CityStu said:
He might not be, but it's worth a try or two given he's already in the squad. I've not been too impressed with him at CB and we can't write off a near £50m player. The pivot doesn't need to be particularly mobile as that box-to-box element is fulfilled by the two '8's and the full backs (who are now much more dynamic. The pivot just needs to be able to watch the game in front of them and understand where there might be danger or possibilities to overload in attack. I think Stones has a very good football brain, can play a pass and can contain himself to the role (I always worry about Toure or Gundogan wandering upfield and Fernandinho putting out fires a long way from his position). I don't think the pivot actually requires a technically brilliant player (Bayern certainly had better technical players than Lahm, and Barcelona Busquets), but a player with the greatest understanding of understanding, digesting and strategising about what the current state of affairs is on the field.

Kind of like how the best battlefield generals needn't be the best fighters.
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I'd rather play kompany there again instead of stones. Stones will not be played in midfield ever so stop with the nonsense.
 
CityStu said:
He might not be, but it's worth a try or two given he's already in the squad. I've not been too impressed with him at CB and we can't write off a near £50m player. The pivot doesn't need to be particularly mobile as that box-to-box element is fulfilled by the two '8's and the full backs (who are now much more dynamic. The pivot just needs to be able to watch the game in front of them and understand where there might be danger or possibilities to overload in attack. I think Stones has a very good football brain, can play a pass and can contain himself to the role (I always worry about Toure or Gundogan wandering upfield and Fernandinho putting out fires a long way from his position). I don't think the pivot actually requires a technically brilliant player (Bayern certainly had better technical players than Lahm, and Barcelona Busquets), but a player with the greatest understanding of understanding, digesting and strategising about what the current state of affairs is on the field.

Kind of like how the best battlefield generals needn't be the best fighters.
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If Stones played as the pivot he'd try to dribble out of pressure. You can't do that in that position. You'll get caught. He even got caught a few times at CB. Even Danilo would probably be better at the pivot than Stones.
 
SebastianBlue said:
Same thing was said about Busquets early on.
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Uh...when was that said? Because he played in midfield in Barcelona's academy, midfield for Pep at Barca B and was immediately promoted to play midfield for Barca.

He never spent any time at CB except when Barcelona had an injury crisis in 11/12, by which time he had hundreds of appearances in his normal position.

He's always been a midfielder, so I doubt anyone ever said Busquets wasn't one or couldn't play there.
 
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