Article 50/Brexit Negotiations

[JWBlueman]

How can anybody truest the EU to come up with a proper "exit fee" when this corrupt, racist, pro-banks and big business behemoth has been largely unable to get its own accounts signed off for decades?

 

[hilts]

Normally yes, except they have us by the short and curlies.

That's your presumption because they are currently playing the game better based on our media reports.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Normally yes, except they have us by the short and curlies.

No they don't.
Demanding some arbitrary figure as some sort of penalty clause being triggered by our leaving their club, as a
line drawn in the sand before they will even discuss trading details is petulant posturing in the extreme.
There is pressure growing amongst the people who actually provide the wealth produced by the EU, ie, companies
and industry in general, to start the process of trading agreements, bear in mind we're now talking to the flunkeys
from the EU commission, not any of the respective heads of state.

 

[The perfect fumble]

No they don't.
Demanding some arbitrary figure as some sort of penalty clause being triggered by our leaving their club, as a
line drawn in the sand before they will even discuss trading details is petulant posturing in the extreme.
There is pressure growing amongst the people who actually provide the wealth produced by the EU, ie, companies
and industry in general, to start the process of trading agreements, bear in mind we're now talking to the flunkeys
from the EU commission, not any of the respective heads of state.

Didn't we leave this party about 300 pages ago? If you're still pinning your hopes on the BMW and Gorgonzola Johnnies riding in to save our bacon you're more desperate than I thought.

 

[Len Rum]

No they don't.
Demanding some arbitrary figure as some sort of penalty clause being triggered by our leaving their club, as a
line drawn in the sand before they will even discuss trading details is petulant posturing in the extreme.
There is pressure growing amongst the people who actually provide the wealth produced by the EU, ie, companies
and industry in general, to start the process of trading agreements, bear in mind we're now talking to the flunkeys
from the EU commission, not any of the respective heads of state.

There may or may not be pressure from the 'wealth providers', problem being that the trade numbers at risk ( both imports and exports) are much greater as a % of total trade for the UK than for any one country in the EU.
Hence the 'pressure' of which you speak will be much greater in the UK than for any one country in the EU.
Comprende?

 

[Vic]

No they don't.
Demanding some arbitrary figure as some sort of penalty clause being triggered by our leaving their club, as a
line drawn in the sand before they will even discuss trading details is petulant posturing in the extreme.
There is pressure growing amongst the people who actually provide the wealth produced by the EU, ie, companies
and industry in general, to start the process of trading agreements, bear in mind we're now talking to the flunkeys
from the EU commission, not any of the respective heads of state.

The pressure from companies and industry in general would, if they didn't feel obliged to "respect the referendum", be to forget it all as a bad dream. It affects everyone - I was talking yesterday to a fairground operator who used to buy German rides - the cost is now higher thanks to the pound getting close to parity with the Euro so he might have to buy British - good for British fairground ride makers maybe, but not so good for a showman working on tight profit margins.

As for flunkeys, we're still recruiting and training our flunkeys.

 

[Vic]

How can anybody truest the EU to come up with a proper "exit fee" when this corrupt, racist, pro-banks and big business behemoth has been largely unable to get its own accounts signed off for decades?

What, the Tory party?

 

[blueinsa]

How is it a trade only bloc wont talk about trade after our exit?

They are a trade only bloc arent they?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Didn't we leave this party about 300 pages ago? If you're still pinning your hopes on the BMW and Gorgonzola Johnnies riding in to save our bacon you're more desperate than I thought.

Your past history of being wrong about absolutely everything gives me a warm glow that overrides any perceived desperation.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

There may or may not be pressure from the 'wealth providers', problem being that the trade numbers at risk ( both imports and exports) are much greater as a % of total trade for the UK than for any one country in the EU.
Hence the 'pressure' of which you speak will be much greater in the UK than for any one country in the EU.
Comprende?

If Barnier and Co. persist in demanding 'Something' before they deign to discuss the nitty gritty, we shall then see where pressure is applied.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

How is it a trade only bloc wont talk about trade after our exit?

They are a trade only bloc arent they?

We all used to think that, but those clinging to the hope that we're not leaving accepted their subservient status
to Juncker many years ago though.
Stockholm syndrome is a dreadful condition.

 

[Len Rum]

How is it a trade only bloc wont talk about trade after our exit?

They are a trade only bloc arent they?

Far from it mate.
It's a political and economic union.

 

[jonmcity]

We should counter, i.e. we will not talk about money until we have an interim trade agreement.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Your past history of being wrong about absolutely everything gives me a warm glow that overrides any perceived desperation.

I can only surmise that warm glow comes from having pissed yourself.

Enlighten me, what have I been wrong on? Looks to me that this shambles is panning out pretty much as I predicted.

Oh, please be clear, I can't be doing with any of this constructive ambiguity.

 

[cibaman]

No they don't.
Demanding some arbitrary figure as some sort of penalty clause being triggered by our leaving their club, as a
line drawn in the sand before they will even discuss trading details is petulant posturing in the extreme.
There is pressure growing amongst the people who actually provide the wealth produced by the EU, ie, companies
and industry in general, to start the process of trading agreements, bear in mind we're now talking to the flunkeys
from the EU commission, not any of the respective heads of state.

It does seem that the heads of state are determined to keep out of it despite May's attempts to speak to them directly. I expect we'll be speaking to the flunkeys for the next 12 months.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I can only surmise that warm glow comes from having pissed yourself.

Enlighten me, what have I been wrong on? Looks to me that this shambles is panning out pretty much as I predicted.

Oh, please be clear, I can't be doing with any of this constructive ambiguity.

More like magic mushrooms. Things are really buzzing here in the Norwich lentil collective now that Jezza is going to win!

^^^
The above is the very first one I noticed, without looking too hard.

 

[The perfect fumble]

More like magic mushrooms. Things are really buzzing here in the Norwich lentil collective now that Jezza is going to win!

^^^
The above is the very first one I noticed, without looking too hard.

Oh yeah....tongue in cheek is all you can dredge up? I'll make a prediction and you can nail me later if it's wrong, if we ever leave it will be so soft as makes no difference. And whoever is leading the Labour Party at the next election will be PM.

 

[Len Rum]

If Barnier and Co. persist in demanding 'Something' before they deign to discuss the nitty gritty, we shall then see where pressure is applied.

At least I provided some rationale for my argument whereas you provided err....none.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Oh yeah....tongue in cheek is all you can dredge up? I'll make a prediction and you can nail me later if it's wrong, if we ever leave it will be so soft as makes no difference. And whoever is leading the Labour Party at the next election will be PM.

If I could really be arsed, which I can't, I could find quite a few pearls of wisdom almost certainly dismissed by your goodself
as tongue in cheek, but yes, I'll take your prediction of 'Soft Brexit.' Before we start making a book, certain parameters need to be
established, I presume you're saying that this term means, staying in the single market and customs union indefinitely?
It must also mean the UK will accept freedom of movement of EU citizens?
If this is what we're adhering to, then £50 to a charity of your choice will be forthcoming from me, should these things happen.
I will also concede if we end up with exactly the same terms as Norway or Switzerland, so with your boundless confidence you
should be slavering with anticipation.
Another £50 if your second prediction comes to fruition.
I will also accept you pissing your winnings up the wall, as I will, if you don't fancy the charity idea, I leave that to you.

 

[The perfect fumble]

If I could really be arsed, which I can't, I could find quite a few pearls of wisdom almost certainly dismissed by your goodself as tongue in cheek,

Of course you could if you " could really be arsed".