vonkeynotvenky
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No. Whilst there will always be problems and regions/countries doing less well than others (just as in the US states vary in their economic and social performance) this has little to do with the EU. These problems are inherent within the structure of the countries themselves. The Euro does magnify some of these problems but the problems in Greece for example were the product of Greece itself. The problems were always there but membership of the Euro magnified these problems and bought them to a head.
The UK's problem of say stagnant wage growth and austerity are UK problems not EU problems. Only Greece and ourselves showed a decline in real terms in wage growth. These are UK problems which we blame on the EU because it suited domestic politicians to blame it on the faceless men of Brussels yada, yada. It is always someone's fault never ours is the mother of its the EU fault we can't get a deal.
And we will never escape the EU. It's impossible. You can be out of it but never escape it. You can be out but we will always be in it. Our light bulbs and vacuum cleaners will be forever linked to the EU. Three regions have the heft and clout to decide and impose standards. The US, China and the EU. And we are in Europe and they will set the standards which we will adopt. We have no choice. If we do a deal on the NI border (which we want) it will end with NI getting special economic status. And if it works then Scotland and Wales will do the same. We will be surrounded by the EU and if we want to play in the EU backyard we will have to pay like Switzerland does.
I'll go back to May's big win on Japan's trade deal. Reality is like everything else it will be done on the back of the EU. And if we want things on the back of the EU then there will be a price. Everything we want will have a price. Brexit is not taking back control. It is surrendering it.
The trade deals we make will be varied and will be with who we choose to make them with therein lies the difference. We have always made deals to get trade deals it doesn't mean we aren't making them though. The slogan that Brexit is surrendering control is a nonsense mate and you know it.
What puzzles me more and more each day is how the left and the liberals support globalism, maybe it's because more people from the left and liberals are getting what they want out of globalism ie cheaper goods globe trotting vlogging capabilities and aren't really in it for the ideals those politics extol.