Media Thread 2017/18

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franksinatra said:
See this is where I do not understand the argument. Its written time and time again its all about click bait so why would the Sun try to appeal to Liverpool fans when its well known they have boycotted the paper? It would make no sense.

I appreciate most on here view it through the City prism, personally I think the press such as the Sun and the rest of the gutterpress are low life garbage and treat everyone with disdain when it suits them.

You say Koeman has 'probably' blasted Rooney. If you cannot evidence that through the content of the article then its a fabrication just like man up was about Sterling. What makes Coutinho a rebel?

We have seen the press at work this week hounding the rooney and whatever we think of him his wife and kids do not deserve being chased/followed by the press in car. It speaks volumes about the press for me.
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You are assuming (incorrectly IMO) that the Scousers are the only possible target audience for clickbait when it comes to Sterling. I would submit that the booing he got at places like Turf Moor last season tells a different story.
I would also contend that The Sun is so monumentally deluded and full of its own importance that it might genuinely believe it can build tentative bridges with the Scouse community. Also the readerships of these papers are global and the dippers have gazillions of fans across the world. It might be that a significant percentage of them are sufficiently remote from actual Liverpudlian hatred of The Sun, as to be broadly ignorant of it.
Also, comparing the press hounding of Rooney to anything involving Sterling is surely a redundant move from the start. Shrek has shagged grannies and hookers (twice) now whilst his heavily pregnant wife sat at home with her swollen ankles, and has now added driving whilst pissed out of his tree to his rap sheet. Sterling's only crimes were possession of a pair of gold plated taps and eating at Gregg's
 
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NQCitizen said:
Match of the Day were fairly reasonable there.
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I agree. I think it's a generation thing. As a keeper I would expect a forward to go for a ball like that, and although I think he's horrible I agree with shearer, I'd want my forward to go for it. That said they changed the rules and by today's (unnecessary) over protective anti tackling / challenging rules it was rightly a sending off. I don't agree with it, but I'm old. That said I didn't think walker or scneiderlins were sendings off either.
 
MrE said:
I agree. I think it's a generation thing. As a keeper I would expect a forward to go for a ball like that, and although I think he's horrible I agree with shearer, I'd want my forward to go for it. That said they changed the rules and by today's (unnecessary) over protective anti tackling / challenging rules it was rightly a sending off. I don't agree with it, but I'm old. That said I didn't think walker or scneiderlins were sendings off either.
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Tbh I don't get why it was ever ok. Kicking people in the head just seems like something that shouldn't be happening.

I know what they said about "intent" but it's crazy that deliberately kicking someone's shin is worse than accidentally kicking someone in the head in their minds.
 
MrE said:
I agree. I think it's a generation thing. As a keeper I would expect a forward to go for a ball like that, and although I think he's horrible I agree with shearer, I'd want my forward to go for it. That said they changed the rules and by today's (unnecessary) over protective anti tackling / challenging rules it was rightly a sending off. I don't agree with it, but I'm old. That said I didn't think walker or scneiderlins were sendings off either.
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Like you I'm old mate. I hate the fact that tackling has been taken out of the game. But almost taking someones head off was never fair tackling. Ever.
 
NQCitizen said:
Tbh I don't get why it was ever ok. Kicking people in the head just seems like something that shouldn't be happening.

I know what they said about "intent" but it's crazy that deliberately kicking someone's shin is worse than accidentally kicking someone in the head in their minds.
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It would have been easier and more truthful if they just said that they were shithouses, so were fully in favour of challenging for head high balls with their studs. Exact same people were moaning about De Jong not being sent off in the WC final when his one on Xabi Alonso wasn't half as bad as Mane's.
 
Watching it on Sky today, I got the impression that Neville effectively dug himself a hole and then didn't want to admit he was wrong and so stuck to his guns. His tone changed after the replay and you could tell he wasn't sure anymore.

I do think it's dangerous for pundits to do that though. Any challenge that has the potential to cause serious injury to an opponent is and always has been a red card regardless of intent. Yes, for Mane, I understand why he went for it and don't overly begrudge him doing it, but at the same time there has to be a consequence to taking the risk.

The two main stories should be how clinical we were in the second half (I do think we look better any time we score first and early though as it enables us to play far more naturally) and how easily Liverpool capitulated with ten men.
 
gavvo said:
Like you I'm old mate. I hate the fact that tackling has been taken out of the game. But almost taking someones head off was never fair tackling. Ever.
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I hear what you say, but going for the ball was always priority. For the ball, not the man being the point. If you got the ball first it wasn't a foul. Things have changed, interpretations have changed. Remember this (mirror image of today) from 1982
 
MrE said:
I hear what you say, but going for the ball was always priority. For the ball, not the man being the point. If you got the ball first it wasn't a foul. Things have changed, interpretations have changed. Remember this (mirror image of today) from 1982
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I do remember it but dont see the relevance. Also there was no contact with the ball today was there ? Havent seen all the replays but from what i saw at the time it was just boot to head. I honestly think it would have been as straight a red 20 years ago as it was today.
 
As far as I am concerned it is simple, it he raises his foot clips the ball over Ederson and makes no contact with him then its fine, however the risk is if he doesn't then it is correctly a straight red.
 
MrE said:
I agree. I think it's a generation thing. As a keeper I would expect a forward to go for a ball like that, and although I think he's horrible I agree with shearer, I'd want my forward to go for it. That said they changed the rules and by today's (unnecessary) over protective anti tackling / challenging rules it was rightly a sending off. I don't agree with it, but I'm old. That said I didn't think walker or scneiderlins were sendings off either.
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I had no problem with him going for it. It was a risky strategy though. Get there first and he either scores or Ederson is sent off but get it wrong and he is sent off. It was exceptionally Brave goalkeeping and I don't think Mane had anticipated that bit.
 
gavvo said:
I do remember it but dont see the relevance. Also there was no contact with the ball today was there ? Havent seen all the replays but from what i saw at the time it was just boot to head. I honestly think it would have been as straight a red 20 years ago as it was today.
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I said mirror image (keeper taking player out). The ref saw two players going for the same ball (50-50) and took no action other than a goal kick. It is meant to illustrate the difference in perceptions then and now. There is no argument from me that by today's standards it was a sending off. My point is I can see why shearer and co would expect the forward to go for it
 
Millwallawayveteran1988 said:
I had no problem with him going for it. It was a risky strategy though. Get there first and he either scores or Ederson is sent off but get it wrong and he is sent off. It was exceptionally Brave goalkeeping and I don't think Mane had anticipated that bit.
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Wish there was a like button ... excellent keeping
 
MrE said:
I said mirror image (keeper taking player out). The ref saw two players going for the same ball (50-50) and took no action other than a goal kick. It is meant to illustrate the difference in perceptions then and now. There is no argument from me that by today's standards it was a sending off. My point is I can see why shearer and co would expect the forward to go for it
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You would have something of a point if his boot hadnt been 6ft off the ground. You simply cant, and to be fair never have been, allowed to "go for it" like that.
 
gavvo said:
You would have something of a point if his boot hadnt been 6ft off the ground. You simply cant, and to be fair never have been, allowed to "go for it" like that.
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Sorry. Above is meant as reply. Cocking up the I T input is proof of my old age lol
 
MrE said:
I said mirror image (keeper taking player out). The ref saw two players going for the same ball (50-50) and took no action other than a goal kick. It is meant to illustrate the difference in perceptions then and now. There is no argument from me that by today's standards it was a sending off. My point is I can see why shearer and co would expect the forward to go for it
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That particular challenge is regarded as one of the worst of all time and nobody has ever thought it was a fair challenge, except obviously the one referee.

I understand your point, but maybe you need to find a better example.
 
For me the bottom line is 100% red card and, if it was a City player who had been sent off for that, the media would probably be calling for a lengthy ban.
 
laserblue said:
Shearer deliberately kicked Neil Lennon full in the head in one of the most vicious and cowardly attacks ever seen on a football pitch in this country. The referee incredibly failed to send him off. When the FA were talking about a retrospective ban he threatened never to play for England again if they proceeded and with qualifiying games for the 2000 Euros coming up the FA announced they'd be taking no further action after finding him not guilty of deliberately kicking Lennon in the head.



Incident starts at 30 seconds in.
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I'd forgotten about that. Shearer is a horrible bastard.
 
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