Media Thread 2017/18

[blueju]

Rob Draper in the Mail more or less told everyone City only got a chance to show off their attacking ability and cover up their defensive inefficiencies because of the sending off. Until then we were being ripped apart at will even though we'd scored against the run of play. Presumably we'd escaped the dippers running riot, scoring double figures and winning the prem at our place?

 

[blueju]

I read an article over how the city fans were bad for singing the Gerrard song and booing Milner. But booing Ederson was okay huh?

The commentator couldn't believe Milner being booed, city fans used to be better than that and used to welcome ex players back with applause , it's a sign of how the clubs changed.
I've never heard any criticism of the dippers or anyone else booing sterling

 

[lancs blue]

I said mirror image (keeper taking player out). The ref saw two players going for the same ball (50-50) and took no action other than a goal kick. It is meant to illustrate the difference in perceptions then and now. There is no argument from me that by today's standards it was a sending off. My point is I can see why shearer and co would expect the forward to go for it

No, the ref just made a total balls of the decision, even 35 years ago that was a clear foul - penalty to France and a red card for Schumacher would have been the correct decision.

When we were in the third tier in 98/99 we played Stoke at the Britannia, a high ball came over, Ged Wiekens went to head the ball and a Stoke player went for the ball with a high boot and caught Wiekens in the face - ref gave him a straight red. The rules haven't changed that much at all.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Look I'm not arguing it's right, I am saying attitudes and tolerances have lessened

All that is on that clip; is shit refereeing. He hasn't seen it properly.

If a ref saw a player kick another one in the face at head height in 1968, he'd send the **** off, end of. It wouldn't even be a debate. Either that or it would be a bent/coward ref.

They didn't have to bother about all the bullshit of 'oo he didn't mean it', they could just call a violent challenge for what it was.

If Mane had misssed his face & caught his collarbone, it could have been much much worse.

 

[bluealf]

Look I'm not arguing it's right, I am saying attitudes and tolerances have lessened

So all your demonstration video shows is the ref making a mistake, listen to the commentator who is incensed that nothing was given, citing dangerous play.

 

[Jacob Smith]

We're being painted as bullies by the BBC for winning 5-0 and not going easy on them when they went down to 10...

You wouldn't have even known we'd won from yesterday's headline which just said how Klopp disagreed with the Mané red!

 

[Airbags Optional]

Match of the Day were fairly reasonable there.

Sorry mate, disagree. They were playing down a potentially career ending piece of play. Yes he should go for it but not with his foot and not by jumping 2 feet off the ground when he knows that the keeper is going to go in with his head. Linekar had already played his cards on social media and it felt to me that it was scripted to fall in line with his earlier views. Embarrassing

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40974299

Nice piece from the BBC, for those that don't follow the stats side, city's expected goals last season was something like 17-20 higher than we scored whereas Chelsea scored a similar amount over their expected goals

 

[CharliesRightPeg]

I hear what you say, but going for the ball was always priority. For the ball, not the man being the point. If you got the ball first it wasn't a foul. Things have changed, interpretations have changed. Remember this (mirror image of today) from 1982

I remember watching that game as a kid and being amazed the player wasn't sent off, pretty sure the commentary team was livid too

 

[tonea2003]

As far as I am concerned it is simple, it he raises his foot clips the ball over Ederson and makes no contact with him then its fine, however the risk is if he doesn't then it is correctly a straight red.

correct, nothing more to say

 

[SilverFox2]

The dubious red seems to be an excuse for Lpool whereas Klopp´s anger at the players attitude should be the main topic for the media.

Demolished by City, fans left early in droves and players giving up.

That was a display by LPool that simply destroyed their reputations for their fans support of their team and never say die, fight to the finish attitude of their players.
We were that good yet a red card takes priority.

We were clinical with our finishing and could have had more goals and L`Pool were completely demoralised for a lot of the game. Their fans recognised this and deserted their team. Seem to remember we gained fans when we dropped divisions never mind lost to a top team so mission accomplished.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

I hear what you say, but going for the ball was always priority. For the ball, not the man being the point. If you got the ball first it wasn't a foul. Things have changed, interpretations have changed. Remember this (mirror image of today) from 1982

This is not really the same. The keeper clearly played the man with no attempt to get the ball - that was the reason everyone was stunned when the ref showed no card and not even a foul. If I remember right, Battiston was down quite a while and possibly the ref just forgot.

 

[blueinsa]

The dubious red seems to be an excuse for Lpool whereas Klopp´s anger at the players attitude should be the main topic for the media.

Demolished by City, fans left early in droves and players giving up.

That was a display by LPool that simply destroyed their reputations for their fans support of their team and never say die, fight to the finish attitude of their players.
We were that good yet a red card takes priority.

We were clinical with our finishing and could have had more goals and L`Pool were completely demoralised for a lot of the game. Their fans recognised this and deserted their team. Seem to remember we gained fans when we dropped divisions never mind lost to a top team so mission accomplished.

They lost a striker so effectively went 1 up top which lots of sides do anyway but the way the media has circled the wagons around them you would be forgiven for thinking they lost both CB's and the keeper!

We played fantastically well and would have won the game 11 v 11 imo as our finishing was clinical but they did effectively give up yesterday and for any side that's not good enough.

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

As far as I am concerned it is simple, it he raises his foot clips the ball over Ederson and makes no contact with him then its fine, however the risk is if he doesn't then it is correctly a straight red.

Even without contact it should have been a yellow card or at least a foul with Ederson so close.

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Sorry mate, disagree. They were playing down a potentially career ending piece of play. Yes he should go for it but not with his foot and not by jumping 2 feet off the ground when he knows that the keeper is going to go in with his head. Linekar had already played his cards on social media and it felt to me that it was scripted to fall in line with his earlier views. Embarrassing

Totally agree, the bbc dont like us and in all honesty motd is absolute garbage with the views of people who may have played the game but dont really hold intelligent views. Linekar's tweet basically sums it all up - if it had happened to leicester or spurs then their view point would have been different imo.

It was definately a straight red for the reasons you state above.

 

[blueinsa]

Even without contact it should have been a yellow card or at least a foul with Ederson so close.

How can a foot off the floor with stud showing threatening a players ankle or leg be deemed as a straight red card yet a foot at head height and studs showing straight into a players face be unlucky and not a card for some?

The truth is they all think its a red card and a 3 game ban but yet again its a media trying desperately to set a narrative in order to sway a decision and favour one of their pets.

 

[The Riot Club]

Annoying we're not getting enough credit for destroying a title rival and being ruthless.

Not our fault Mane kung fu kicked our keeper, the way we played after meant Liverpool couldn't cope. Plenty of teams go down to 10 and still get a result. We battered them and they couldn't live with it.

Typical BBC bollocks this morning emphasising as many positives as possible for Liverpool, not to read too much into the result, etc, etc. No mention of Leroy's wonder strike or Aguero's movement making Klavan look like a chimp.

Not seen the Guardian's take on it yet, I'm assuming it will say Salah was man of the match and Liverpool would have won if Ederson hadn't headbutted Mane's studs.

 

[Mr Partridge]

We get week after week after week of shite refereeing decisions and as soon as we get one in our favour the whole fucking world is up in arms about it!

It WAS a sending off though.

 

[blueinsa]

We get week after week after week of shite refereeing decisions and as soon as we get one in our favour the whole fucking world is up in arms about it!

It WAS a sending off though.

It wasnt so much in our favour it was just the correct decision.

 

[Patientman63]

Does Mane have some weird affliction which affects his peripheral vision??

We've all played the game of football at some level, and whilst you might be running and looking at the ball, you know exactly where the opposing players are! Mane knew Ederson was coming, he could see the ball was high and 50/50, and should have backed off. Red card all day long.