Fernandinho - 2017/18 Performances

Status
Not open for further replies.
I've never doubted him, nor been in the camp that he was losing what he had.

He does what he does, he's not the greatest passer of all time, but he shouldn't need to be.

Excellent today, after a shaky start I thought, but most of the rear end of the team had a shaky start, for the first 10-15 minutes I thought we resembled something from primary school level in organisation.
 
I still don't think he's necessary when we play these teams that park the bus. They tend to bypass our midfield with route one stuff so we'd be better off with a more attacking player in the position (Touré, even De Bruyne)



But in games like today, where the football is open and the ball stays on the floor. Fernandinho really stands out. In a good way. For all the reasons everyone has said.
 
If anyone saw that performance today and still doesn't get why so many of us rate him, they'll never understand what he brings to the team.
 
cleavers said:
I've never doubted him, nor been in the camp that he was losing what he had.

He does what he does, he's not the greatest passer of all time, but he shouldn't need to be.

Excellent today, after a shaky start I thought, but most of the rear end of the team had a shaky start, for the first 10-15 minutes I thought we resembled something from primary school level in organisation.
Click to expand...

Saying that he's not the best passer of all time implies that he's not such a great passer - which couldn't be further from the truth.

Me thinks his stint at RB last season, something that was completely foreign to him, has had an effect on people's perception of his performances.
 
mccity said:
I still don't think he's necessary when we play these teams that park the bus. They tend to bypass our midfield with route one stuff so we'd be better off with a more attacking player in the position (Touré, even De Bruyne).
Click to expand...

I hate comments like this, it shows such a complete lack of understanding of the game it's embarrassing.

Remind me again how the opening goal against Brighton was scored? Then do the same with the opening goal against Liverpool?

Winning possession back high up the pitch and quickly is equally if not more important than having an additional attacking player when it comes to scoring the opening goal, especially against 'park the bus' teams. It's very often the only time when those teams are vulnerable because they're out of position while trying the odd counter-attack. I won't even mention Fernandinho's through ball to Aguero for Jesus' goal yesterday, just to prove he's got more than enough passing ability.
 
fatbloke said:
I hate comments like this, it shows such a complete lack of understanding of the game it's embarrassing.

Remind me again how the opening goal against Brighton was scored? Then do the same with the opening goal against Liverpool?

Winning possession back high up the pitch and quickly is equally if not more important than having an additional attacking player when it comes to scoring the opening goal, especially against 'park the bus' teams. It's very often the only time when those teams are vulnerable because they're out of position while trying the odd counter-attack. I won't even mention Fernandinho's through ball to Aguero for Jesus' goal yesterday, just to prove he's got more than enough passing ability.
Click to expand...
Jeez no need to be a cúnt about it. If I'm wrong about this correct me in a civil manner, don't say I know nothing.

The opening goal against Brighton came from a KDB interception btw, not a Fernandinho one. Maybe you have a lack of understanding as to how to watch football. High pressing is good and all. But Henderson can press high up the pitch. There's far more to the role than that. You'd know obviously.

And slicing open a 10 man Liverpool who were all over the place doesn't tell me anything. As someone who actually watches full City games I can see that his passing is limited. One admittedly fantastic pass doesn't make up for all the times he's got it wrong.


And btw I said he had a great game against Liverpool. And said he was perfect for that type of game. Maybe read the whole post before your snap judgements.
 
Last edited:
mccity said:
Jeez no need to be a cúnt about it. If I'm wrong about this correct me in a civil manner, don't say I know nothing.

The opening goal against Brighton came from a KDB interception btw, not a Fernandinho one. Maybe you have a lack of understanding as to how to watch football. High pressing is good and all. But Henderson can press high up the pitch. There's far more to the role than that. You'd know obviously.

And slicing open a 10 man Liverpool who were all over the place doesn't tell me anything. As someone who actually watches full City games I can see that his passing is limited. One admittedly fantastic pass doesn't make up for all the times he's got it wrong.


And btw I said he had a great game against Liverpool. And said he was perfect for that type of game. Maybe read the whole post before your snap judgements.
Click to expand...

Your original post stated we shouldn't use Fernandinho in games against opposition teams who park the bus, now considering two of our opening goals this season have already come as a direct result of us (with Fernandinho at the heart of it) quickly regaining possession high up the pitch I think your post is naive and ignorant to that fact. By playing a more attack minded player you're effectively losing some of that ability to regain possession.

1). I never said the Brighton goal came from a Fernandinho interception, that's you making an assumption. Try looking 10-15 yards back and see who cuts off the passing option which means the Brighton player hesitates which allows De Bruyne to intercept/regain possession, its Fernandinho.

2). The opening goal against Liverpool was also scored within two passes of Fernandinho helping to regain possession.

Now in fairness my reply was a bit over the top so my apologises but when you post something so ignorant to what has actually happened you question whether they just watch the ball or if they see how players can have an affect/effect (pick the right one) even when they're not directly involved. Anyway my apologises, I am a **** most of the time as most on here know but I'm especially bad at the moment with how little sleep I'm getting with a baby at home.
 
I wonder if it's stalling because the club are putting feelers out for new midfield recruits next summer. I've commented earlier that we should upgrade on both Yaya and Fernandinho next summer, to really sort us out for the next 5 years, or more. If we don't get clarity regarding a summer target, then perhaps the one year extension will go through. Only speculating, but that's my gut feeling, since we can only have 17 non-home grown players.
 
fatbloke said:
I hate comments like this, it shows such a complete lack of understanding of the game it's embarrassing.

Remind me again how the opening goal against Brighton was scored? Then do the same with the opening goal against Liverpool?

Winning possession back high up the pitch and quickly is equally if not more important than having an additional attacking player when it comes to scoring the opening goal, especially against 'park the bus' teams. It's very often the only time when those teams are vulnerable because they're out of position while trying the odd counter-attack. I won't even mention Fernandinho's through ball to Aguero for Jesus' goal yesterday, just to prove he's got more than enough passing ability.
Click to expand...
Huh?

Every player in Pep's side is expected to press. Some are better than others. Fernandinho is especially good at winning the ball back.

Mccity is exactly correct - against teams that park the bus, that pose little threat, that are hard to break down - it's better to give up a little defensive nous in favor of a player who is more capable of unlocking defenses.

Do you really want to play Fernandinho in such games instead of Gundogan/Toure?
========
That said - yes, Fernandinho has made a few awesome passes lately from deep - but he does not make such passes consistently - not with the consistency of Toure/Gundogan.

And thus, Fernandinho should not start against teams that park the bus - all other factors being equal (upcoming fixtures, injuries to the squad, need to rotate players, etc. may of course alter the actual player selected to play pivot).
 
Last edited:
Tricky_Trev said:
I wonder if it's stalling because the club are putting feelers out for new midfield recruits next summer. I've commented earlier that we should upgrade on both Yaya and Fernandinho next summer, to really sort us out for the next 5 years, or more. If we don't get clarity regarding a summer target, then perhaps the one year extension will go through. Only speculating, but that's my gut feeling, since we can only have 17 non-home grown players.
Click to expand...

I think DM is the next on the list of positions to sort the long term future of. Yaya and Fern out of contract means we could do to DM what we did with our fullbacks and I think that will be the plan unless Fern has a phenomenal season.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Huh?

Every player in Pep's side is expected to press. Some are better than others. Fernandinho is especially good at winning the ball back.

Mccity is exactly correct - against teams that park the bus, that pose little threat, that are hard to break down - it's better to give up a little defensive nous in favor of a player who is more capable of unlocking defenses.

Do you really want to play Fernandinho in such games instead of Gundogan/Toure?
========
That said - yes, Fernandinho has made a few awesome passes lately from deep - but he does not make such passes consistently - not with the consistency of Toure/Gundogan.

And thus, Fernandinho should not start against teams that park the bus - all other factors being equal (upcoming fixtures, injuries to the squad, need to rotate players, etc. may of course alter the actual player selected to play pivot).
Click to expand...

You only have to look at Klopp, his whole attacking philosophy is based on counter pressing to see how it can unlock 'park the bus' defences in a different way. And before you pipe up and say they don't have as good an attacking/scoring, I appreciate that but then again they don't have a midfield or forward line containing De Bruyne, Silva, Silva, Sterling, Sane, Jesus or Aguero.

So yes I would absolutely pick Fernandinho instead of Yaya in those games, Gundogan is a different proposition because he's got the ability to do everything if we can get him fit.
 
karen7 said:
I think he'll be offered a new deal,pep likes him
Click to expand...

Too early to even talk about it. If we're 30 games in and this is the norm, then yeah. But let's see how he plays going into November/Dec.

I still think we have his replacement lined up for the next window. Weigl is my guess, but could be some unheard of wonderkid too knowing Pep.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top