Media Thread 2017/18

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mccity said:
What was irritating about BT Sport's coveragea last night was Gerrard.


Lampard is clearly a very reasonable and intelligent man. He understands things and has the ability to be pragmatic and reasonable.

Now Rio, despite being a rag prick is not the worst of pundits. For one he openly admits he is biased towards United which is bolder than 90% of everyone else but more importantly he's a modern footballer.

I posted a while ago (In this thread I think) that football changed after 2005 massively and there was an old style and a new style. Ferdinand and Lampard are two exapmles of old style players that adapted really easily to the post 2005 world. Through gritted teeth or not Ferdinand could at least admit that we played good stuff, but more importantly he understood why we played the way we play and he admittedly has a sophisticated enough understanding of the game to know what Pep is about.


Now in my earlier post I suggested that there were some dinosaurs trapped in a pre-2005 world. Where physicality and raw technique triumphs over intelligence. The very definition of Gerrard.

He just doesn't get it. He's never been a clever footballer. He was carried by Alonso in his best years and his blatant deficiencies were glossed over thanks to their fantastic attack in 2014. Like Rooney, Milner, Oxlade-Chamberlain and many England 'greats' before him his lack of intelligence was badly exposed through his forced desires to play centre mid.


His athleticism, technical ability and leadership were marvelous. But he wasn't clever. And pundits are supposed to be clever enough to understand the game. The reason they get the best ex-pros in is because they're supposed to understand the higher level stuff we average Joes wouldn't.


Not Gerrard. Go back to 1999 you prick.
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As much as you can criticise him as a pundit, you cannot knock how good a footballer he was. In his prime, he was probably the best in the country, along with Scholes and Lampard, but Gerrard never played in as good a team as the other two, so he never got the trophies his career probably deserved.
 
nmc said:
Gerrard is clinically depressed. He's the latest in a long line of ex players invited to be a pundit but it's a role he is wholly unsuited to, he may have been able to play football but he can't comment on it and even if he could his dreary delivery and that stupid accent is a kiss of death.
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Correct.Everytime i see stevie G as a pundit i wonder why anyone would employ him as such.just doesnt make sense.
He is on a par with Mr Owen as dullest football pundit out there.
 
andyhinch said:
They're to thick or to blinkered to see what's going on at our club, I have a mental image of them looking in a mirror scratching their heads repeating, but they can't defend until their dog pisses down their leg and their wife fucks of with someone that has a brain and a personality.
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Blinkered and thick imo
 
franksinatra said:
Why has he made me look silly in anyway? In what way does anything he said proves there is an agenda against us?
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I think you actually make yourself look silly,tbh.
The second question ? If you honestly can,t see that ...it merely supports my earlier assertion .imo.
 
Bilboblue said:
As much as you can criticise him as a pundit, you cannot knock how good a footballer he was. In his prime, he was probably the best in the country, along with Scholes and Lampard, but Gerrard never played in as good a team as the other two, so he never got the trophies his career probably deserved.
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nah not having that . gerrard was old school, lampard was progressive- gerrard shouldn't be spouting his shit as fact on tv when frank knows a lot more than he does.
 
Bilboblue said:
As much as you can criticise him as a pundit, you cannot knock how good a footballer he was. In his prime, he was probably the best in the country, along with Scholes and Lampard, but Gerrard never played in as good a team as the other two, so he never got the trophies his career probably deserved.
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As I said he was amazing in many ways but his on pitch intelligence was famously lacking. How good you are as a footballer doesn't necessarily say how well you understand the game. Gerrard is stuck in the kick and run era, and he constantly propped up by smarter players. Nothing to be ashamed of, there's always been good players who maybe lack a bit of intelligence. It's just I want a pundit who can teach me about the game.

Lampard can. Neville can. Carragher can. Even Ferdinand can. Wright's not too bad either.

Pardew can't. Murphy can't. Shearer can't. Gerrard can't.

But Pardew and Murphy aren't dicks about it, they're just a bit outdated here and there like Redknapp for example. Shearer's a bit up himself but he comes across more of a snobby idiot, like Keown or Merson.

Gerrard's like Sutton and Mills. He's arrogant about it. He wants you to think he's the cleverest guy in the room. Now that's fine if you are the cleverest but he's not. They'll say they call it like it is, but that normally means they can't call the things that are important like tactics.


Lampard said something very clever in the build up. He acknowledged that Conte isn't an idiot and might play on the defensive. But he was enough to say the Chelsea fans would get that. Then afterwards when he was pressed on Chelsea letting De Bruyne go he was objective. He knew it was a mistake to let him go, but he also knew that it was more the case in hindsight. That's good punditry. Someone who understands that things aren't black and white and can see the bigger picture. Ferdinand does it occasionally.

Gerrard doesn't do that. He has neither the personality nor intelligence to make it as a great pundit.

If being a good player meant having a good understanding more top class managers would have been world class players in their heyday but that isn't the case.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I find the narrative that united are free scoring very odd. Not least because they've got less goals than us
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It all plays to the 'Yoonit'd Way'.

It's not happening on the pitch, and hasn't done since the GPC left, so best to just keep saying it in the media. Most Rags will read it, and believe it - and the everyday football fan will lap it up. It's a politicians trick that football has picked up on - regardless of what's going on, just say what you want people to believe, and millions will believe it.
 
mccity said:
As I said he was amazing in many ways but his on pitch intelligence was famously lacking. How good you are as a footballer doesn't necessarily say how well you understand the game. Gerrard is stuck in the kick and run era, and he constantly propped up by smarter players. Nothing to be ashamed of, there's always been good players who maybe lack a bit of intelligence. It's just I want a pundit who can teach me about the game.

Lampard can. Neville can. Carragher can. Even Ferdinand can. Wright's not too bad either.

Pardew can't. Murphy can't. Shearer can't. Gerrard can't.

But Pardew and Murphy aren't dicks about it, they're just a bit outdated here and there like Redknapp for example. Shearer's a bit up himself but he comes across more of a snobby idiot, like Keown or Merson.

Gerrard's like Sutton and Mills. He's arrogant about it. He wants you to think he's the cleverest guy in the room. Now that's fine if you are the cleverest but he's not. They'll say they call it like it is, but that normally means they can't call the things that are important like tactics.


Lampard said something very clever in the build up. He acknowledged that Conte isn't an idiot and might play on the defensive. But he was enough to say the Chelsea fans would get that. Then afterwards when he was pressed on Chelsea letting De Bruyne go he was objective. He knew it was a mistake to let him go, but he also knew that it was more the case in hindsight. That's good punditry. Someone who understands that things aren't black and white and can see the bigger picture. Ferdinand does it occasionally.

Gerrard doesn't do that. He has neither the personality nor intelligence to make it as a great pundit.

If being a good player meant having a good understanding more top class managers would have been world class players in their heyday but that isn't the case.
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Brilliant post fella, it's the Gerrards & Mills of the world whose knowledge of the game us worse than a large percentage of our march going fan base that muddy the agenda waters. They haven't got a clue nevermind an agenda.
 
Wreckless Alec said:
He was indeed. Said City "played us off the park". Unusually coherent and complimentary.
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They must been able to keep him off the sauce last night. Unfortunately for them it looks like they took their focus off Brazil so Danny Kelly got his Monday morning alarm call
 
Wreckless Alec said:
He was indeed. Said City "played us off the park". Unusually coherent and complimentary.
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Everybody is waking up to the reality now that it is staring th lem in the face. They just thought we'd go away if they ignored us. They know what's coming and now they'll want a piece of it.
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
 
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