Harry Kane

IH8MUFC said:
How is anybody going to score if the opposition don't give them shooting opportunities?
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A little bit of ingenuity perhaps? Maybe some outrageous skill?

I'm talking about goals which came out of nothing but being truly world class. Goals that you didn't picture happening until it actually did. Goals that are scored when your team is struggling.

You know, like Aguero at Old Trafford in 2013. Or at home to Liverpool the same year (I think). Or both goals in that QPR game where we drew 2-2. Or that crazy goal he scored away at Chelsea. Or against Burnley last season. Or Watford the other week. Or both goals in the 6 1 at Norwich. Or when he won us the league. I'm sure I could go on.

Others do it to. For example to name a few,

Henry vs United
Suarez vs Norwich
Ibrahimovic vs England
Messi vs everyone
Tevez vs Stoke
Ronaldo vs Bayern

And there's plenty more from all of the above too.


Kane is brilliant, I get the feeling people think I don't know that. He's magnificent in his consistency.

But he has a habit of scoring heavily in the games Tottenham play well in and not scoring in the rare odd few games Tottenham don't. We'll see it in action for England at the World Cup I'm sure.

He's the kind of player who will absolutely 100% guarantee you win the games you should be winning. Plus he's ruthless against leaky defences of teams of ANY calibre. Which is an amazing quality. No doubt. That's kind of what Tottenham are all about. Maybe if that's enough to be the definition of world class then he is world class I suppose.


But I wouldn't expect him to pull off a miracle like the players I consider to be the elite.
 
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mccity said:
A little bit of ingenuity perhaps? Maybe some outrageous skill?

I'm talking about goals which came out of nothing but being truly world class. Goals that you didn't picture happening until it actually did. Goals that are scored when your team is struggling.

You know, like Aguero at Old Trafford in 2013. Or at home to Liverpool the same year (I think). Or both goals in that QPR game where we drew 2-2. Or that crazy goal he scored away at Chelsea. Or against Burnley last season. Or Watford the other week. Or both goals in the 6 1 at Norwich. Or when he won us the league. I'm sure I could go on.

Others do it to. For example to name a few,

Henry vs United
Suarez vs Norwich
Ibrahimovic vs England
Messi vs everyone
Tevez vs Stoke
Ronaldo vs Bayern

And there's plenty more from all of the above too.


Kane is brilliant, I get the feeling people think I don't know that. He's magnificent in his consistency.

But he has a habit of scoring heavily in the games Tottenham play well in and not scoring in the rare odd few games Tottenham don't. We'll see it in action for England at the World Cup I'm sure.

He's the kind of player who will absolutely 100% guarantee you win the games you should be winning. Plus he's ruthless against leaky defences of teams of ANY calibre. Which is an amazing quality. No doubt. That's kind of what Tottenham are all about. Maybe if that's enough to be the definition of world class then he is world class I suppose.


But I wouldn't expect him to pull off a miracle like the players I consider to be the elite.
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So you are admitting that you have never seen Harry Kane play.

Kane has scored some pretty incredible goals just because you didn't see them didn't mean that they didn't happen.
 
IH8MUFC said:
So you are admitting that you have never seen Harry Kane play.

Kane has scored some pretty incredible goals just because you didn't see them didn't mean that they didn't happen.
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Exactly.

Spurs were totally under the cosh against Dortmund a few weeks ago when, from nothing, Kane picked up the ball on the halfway line, turned one man, muscled his way past another before running in on goal and smashing the ball into the net from a tight angle. Precisely the kind of goal which mccity is claiming that Kane doesn't score. Plenty of other examples where that came from.
 
JimB said:
Exactly.

Spurs were totally under the cosh against Dortmund a few weeks ago when, from nothing, Kane picked up the ball on the halfway line, turned one man, muscled his way past another before running in on goal and smashing the ball into the net from a tight angle. Precisely the kind of goal which mccity is claiming that Kane doesn't score. Plenty of other examples where that came from.
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He's done it quite a few times. Against Arsenal a year or two back where he curled a pearler from wide left out of nothing, same against chelsea i think the same season. A poster above got it spot on for me, he shoots on site ACCURATELY. This is pretty much his success. He mostly hits them hard and low and has a good percentage on target.
 
Top scorer of cl presently.
Joint top scorer of pl having won 2 golden boots in a row for last 2 seasons.
Behind messi only for goals scored in 2017.
Yep still isnt worldclass.

If he had such stats for city same posters who think he isnt worldclass wouldnt stop gushing about how brilliant of a player he is, moreover with due respect to spurs his stats one would argue would only be better if he was at madrid barca or city as all of them have better creative players who create more chances than spurs
 
mccity said:
Alright lads clearly I know nothing. Enjoy the world cup
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I agree with you.

Player like that will always struggle to convince me. Like other posters have stated he can shoot on sight accurately and with power. Needs to be more than that for me.

For me he is an effective player not a great player. There is a difference.
 
blue wang said:
I agree with you.

Player like that will always struggle to convince me. Like other posters have stated he can shoot on sight accurately and with power. Needs to be more than that for me.

For me he is an effective player not a great player. There is a difference.
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He is more than that. Far more. Ridiculous to suggest that he isn't. His all round game is excellent.

He is strong; holds the ball up well when required; good in the air; great - really great - movement off the ball; has that uncanny instinct that all great strikers have of where he needs to be; shoots almost equally well with either foot (which is considerably more than could be said of some players you would undoubtedly consider to be great); excellent reading of the game and the ability to play superb passes; works his socks off.

He is sometimes a little too selfish (but that is true of most top strikers). And he isn't the quickest (but nor is he as slow as some seem to think). Other than that, it is hard to see many weaknesses in his game. And he is getting better all the time.
 
I'm kind of wondering what some posters would have said about Lineker 25 years ago. 'does nothing, hangs around the six yard box...'. Well yes but...

A couple of years ago many said that Kane had just had a great season. He then did it again and again. What does he have to do to be considered special? Spurs aren't likely to win the CL. So does he have to leave and go to Real?
 
blue wang said:
I agree with you.

Player like that will always struggle to convince me. Like other posters have stated he can shoot on sight accurately and with power. Needs to be more than that for me.

For me he is an effective player not a great player. There is a difference.
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That's it. He's brilliantly efficient. Best in the league on that front easily. But I feel deep down people are willing him to be better than he is because otherwise England are truly boned at the World cup.
 
Machiavelli said:
We stand a better chance with him instead of the fat balding drink driver.
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Yes we do, I agree he's our best by a long way.

I'm concerned people think that I think he's bad (not you necessarily Machiavelli). He's not he's brilliant. I just don't rate him as world class that's all.
 
mccity said:
That's it. He's brilliantly efficient. Best in the league on that front easily. But I feel deep down people are willing him to be better than he is because otherwise England are truly boned at the World cup.
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I couldn't give a rats arse about England, I haven't since euro 96, however that's like saying Paul Scholes was shit for the same reason, he never arrive late in the box for the 3 lions.. I mean come on ffs.... England are gash, So were Romania when Haji was a magician, or Stoichkov for Bulgaria. A player isn't measured on the international stage otherwise Messi would be regarded as average, along with our very own Kun...

You've ignored his stats against the perceived 'big teams' as it meets your opinion, he's now delivering it on the European stage, so you're right, you do know fuck all on this score...
 
Zin 'messiah' Zimmer said:
I couldn't give a rats arse about England, I haven't since euro 96, however that's like saying Paul Scholes was shit for the same reason, he never arrive late in the box for the 3 lions.. I mean come on ffs.... England are gash, So were Romania when Haji was a magician, or Stoichkov for Bulgaria. A player isn't measured on the international stage otherwise Messi would be regarded as average, along with our very own Kun...

You've ignored his stats against the perceived 'big teams' as it meets your opinion, he's now delivering it on the European stage, so you're right, you do know fuck all on this score...
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I never said against the big teams. I said the games where Tottenham struggle.


15/16 he scored against Man City (Home and Away), Arsenal (Home and Away) , Liverpool, Chelsea and Champions Leicester

16/17 he scored against Arsenal (Home and Away) , Chelsea, Man Utd, Monaco, Leicester away (4 goals),

15/16
Man City Home
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34299624
Tottenham played well and didn't struggle

Man City Away
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35515153
Penalty

Arsenal Home
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35659805
Tottenham played well and didn't struggle

Arsenal Away
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/34691295
Tottenham played well and didn't struggle

Liverpool
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35902671
Yeah this was brilliant admittedly, credit where it's due

Leceister
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35216362
Penalty

Chelsea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36126924
Tottenham played very well in the first half

16/17
Arsenal Home
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39682885
Penalty

Arsenal Away
http://uk.soccerway.com/matches/201...l-fc/tottenham-hotspur-football-club/2241860/
Penalty

Man United
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39833969
United were so shit that day.. Tottenham played well and didn't struggle

Chelsea
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39604653
Again, this was very good. Although this was an open game.

Monaco
http://www.uefa.com//uefachampionsl...tch/report/index.html#monaco+group+spurs+fall
Penalty


I don't care who the opposition is specifically. Big team or not. If people read my posts I refer to games where Tottenham struggle. Big teams actually often play a way that's too open and gives Kane a chance or two.


In 15/16, Kane scored a total of 0 goals in the few games Tottenham lost.

In 16/17, Kane scored one goal in two games that Tottenham lost. And one was a penalty.



ALSO England are nowhere near as gash as Bulgaria or Romania were back then. England have it in them to beat very good sides if set up right. And you're calling me on Kane but say Messi has looked average for Argentina?! Ok he hasn't done it in a final but he's put in some godly performances for them in all sorts of competitions.
 
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