Vincent Kompany injuries

[domalino]

I'm no idiot because there is only one idiot who would put an injured player on the bench.

But you are missing the point our defenders in particular Stones take chances when they are playing out from the back.

The big difference year has been the man in between the sticks and Stones developing as a player.

In relation to Mangala what most non haters could see was that he was overloaded and exposed on a number of occasions due to the inexperienced left back. Also the fact that Pep didn't take him off said a lot about his performance during the game.

Firstly, no one is advocating putting a literally injured Kompany on the bench FFS.

Secondly, "our defenders in particular Stones take chances when they are playing out from the back".

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Do not try to draw comparisons between Stones possibly making a mistake while playing progressive football that's integral to our build up play, and Mangala not being able to read the flight of a football, or constantly get caught out of position. Mangala doesn't take risks with possession, that's one of the main reasons he is beyond all hope. If he did, then we could hope for a Stones'-like uncertain phase being followed up by some great play. Mangala though, doesn't take risks on the ball, he plays very poor, sideways or backwards passes and doesn't start attacks at all.

Secondly, Mangala was not "overloaded" at any point in the game. Wolves had 1 player left up for Mangala to deal with, there was no overloading, no having to defend 2 or 3 players because Zinchenko was out of position, there was just 1 teenage, back up in the Championship player who mugged Mangala time and time again.

The fact Mangala stayed on means nothing either, except Wolves weren't trying to attack, just go to penalties.

 

[Cityfan]

People talk about it being the club who pays the wages.
As a matter of interest I thought that if a player is injured on international duty then the country/FIFA pay the wages till they are fit again, is that not the case?

 

[foggy1974]

Think the ship has sailed with Vinny, would love it if he became a City ambassador like Summerbee or takes his Uefa badges and start coaching the young kids. Think he has his heart in joining the media which wouldn't be a bad thing. Would hate to see him leave like Zabba has although I understand his reasons

 

[goater1985]

Unable to read the tweets that hve been posted, what's been said? another set back?

 

[Aussie!]

If Kompany is fit, does he walk straight back in? It's hard to mount a case for him at the moment. Perhaps for the Carobao cup.

 

[kaz7]

Unable to read the tweets that hve been posted, what's been said? another set back?

Kristof Terreur

✔ @HLNinEngeland


Vincent Kompany got good news from dr. Cugat. He will step up his recovery. He had a minor calf injury, that kept him out for 8 weeks. #mcfc

09:08 - 26 Oct 2017

 

[goater1985]

Kristof Terreur

✔ @HLNinEngeland


Vincent Kompany got good news from dr. Cugat. He will step up his recovery. He had a minor calf injury, that kept him out for 8 weeks. #mcfc

09:08 - 26 Oct 2017

thank you karen.... i read that as 8 weeks from the start of the injury... give up predicting when or if he'll come back anymore tho, stresses and saddens me far more than it really should!!

 

[Newquayblue]

It’s nailed on then

lol.

 

[BlueAnorak]

If Kompany is fit, does he walk straight back in? It's hard to mount a case for him at the moment. Perhaps for the Carobao cup.

With the schedule we have, we will need to rotate CH's/DMs out for 1 game in 5/6/7 depending on their injury record.
AMs/Fullbacks/Wingers should be rotated out game in 4/5/6 depending on their injury record.

We need Kompany back fit in mid Nov and Sanchez in Jan. Tuesday told me that Mangala is awful and Tosin is borderline (but I'm still hopeful).

 

[Newquayblue]

And Kompany Stones and Otamendi are so perfect they never make mistakes!! just like the one I imagined Stones made on Tuesday night.

Hear, hear! Go back a few months & substitute Otamendi's name for Mangala's.

 

[Newquayblue]

If you watched Tuesday night and think Mangala is a better option on the bench than Kompany then you're blind and/or an idiot.

Even Manga's mum wouldn't try and argue that.

As for Stones, yeah, he has been pretty much perfect this season, hence 9 clean sheets in the 11 games he's started.

The point is, when these lads start taking on board, which takes time, Pep's advice, they improve exponentially - Mangala is fast, strong, skilful and hard working, everything Pep wants in his players. Stonsey and Ota immense!

 

[Aussie!]

With the schedule we have, we will need to rotate CH's/DMs out for 1 game in 5/6/7 depending on their injury record.
AMs/Fullbacks/Wingers should be rotated out game in 4/5/6 depending on their injury record.

We need Kompany back fit in mid Nov and Sanchez in Jan. Tuesday told me that Mangala is awful and Tosin is borderline (but I'm still hopeful).

Watching Mangala brung back the cold sweat memories I had 12-24 months ago whenever teams attacked - the lack of confidence, mistakes ... so happy and proud of Stones maturing so quickly, and Otemendi rebounding with solid performances this season. However, I fear we are one injury away (in defence) from a desperate situation, particularly with Mendy looking like he'll be out for the season.

 

[Newquayblue]

Firstly, no one is advocating putting a literally injured Kompany on the bench FFS.

Secondly, "our defenders in particular Stones take chances when they are playing out from the back".

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Do not try to draw comparisons between Stones possibly making a mistake while playing progressive football that's integral to our build up play, and Mangala not being able to read the flight of a football, or constantly get caught out of position. Mangala doesn't take risks with possession, that's one of the main reasons he is beyond all hope. If he did, then we could hope for a Stones'-like uncertain phase being followed up by some great play. Mangala though, doesn't take risks on the ball, he plays very poor, sideways or backwards passes and doesn't start attacks at all.

Secondly, Mangala was not "overloaded" at any point in the game. Wolves had 1 player left up for Mangala to deal with, there was no overloading, no having to defend 2 or 3 players because Zinchenko was out of position, there was just 1 teenage, back up in the Championship player who mugged Mangala time and time again.

The fact Mangala stayed on means nothing either, except Wolves weren't trying to attack, just go to penalties.

Bit more flesh on your argument here --- the points you make are valid -- I remember his debut against Chelsea, and do feel he has skill, pace and power -- but I have to accept we've been waiting a while for him to turn it around.

 

[Mike D]

Firstly, no one is advocating putting a literally injured Kompany on the bench FFS.

Secondly, "our defenders in particular Stones take chances when they are playing out from the back".

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Do not try to draw comparisons between Stones possibly making a mistake while playing progressive football that's integral to our build up play, and Mangala not being able to read the flight of a football, or constantly get caught out of position. Mangala doesn't take risks with possession, that's one of the main reasons he is beyond all hope. If he did, then we could hope for a Stones'-like uncertain phase being followed up by some great play. Mangala though, doesn't take risks on the ball, he plays very poor, sideways or backwards passes and doesn't start attacks at all.

Secondly, Mangala was not "overloaded" at any point in the game. Wolves had 1 player left up for Mangala to deal with, there was no overloading, no having to defend 2 or 3 players because Zinchenko was out of position, there was just 1 teenage, back up in the Championship player who mugged Mangala time and time again.

The fact Mangala stayed on means nothing either, except Wolves weren't trying to attack, just go to penalties.

Firstly, no one is advocating putting a literally injured Kompany on the bench FFS.

Secondly, "our defenders in particular Stones take chances when they are playing out from the back".

No. No, no, no, no, no.

Do not try to draw comparisons between Stones possibly making a mistake while playing progressive football that's integral to our build up play, and Mangala not being able to read the flight of a football, or constantly get caught out of position. Mangala doesn't take risks with possession, that's one of the main reasons he is beyond all hope. If he did, then we could hope for a Stones'-like uncertain phase being followed up by some great play. Mangala though, doesn't take risks on the ball, he plays very poor, sideways or backwards passes and doesn't start attacks at all.

Secondly, Mangala was not "overloaded" at any point in the game. Wolves had 1 player left up for Mangala to deal with, there was no overloading, no having to defend 2 or 3 players because Zinchenko was out of position, there was just 1 teenage, back up in the Championship player who mugged Mangala time and time again.

The fact Mangala stayed on means nothing either, except Wolves weren't trying to attack, just go to penalties.

Constantly getting out of position you mean twice in the game when he go bundled off the ball.

He did play a lot side wards in the first half but as the game went on his confidence grew and he did make some forward passes.

Its evident like a number of people that you have it in for this guy and it does not matter what he does you can only see the negatives.

 

[domalino]

The point is, when these lads start taking on board, which takes time, Pep's advice, they improve exponentially - Mangala is fast, strong, skilful and hard working, everything Pep wants in his players. Stonsey and Ota immense!

No.

You are saying "Stones got better, so Mangala will".

This is complete and utter rubbish and if you actually watched how they play, you would see that. Last season Stones made mistakes while always trying to play Pep's way. Mangala doesn't try to play Pep's way, he plays exactly like he did under Pellegrini. He doesn't do anything with the ball, he doesn't take any responsibility for our build up play. He just sits and waits, passes it to his partner (in this case a 19 year old with no experience) and hopes they do it.

Then he makes mistakes on top of that. That's the crime. He is making all the mistakes Stones and Otamendi made last season, without showing any of the balls Pep talked about Stones having.

He's a very nice bloke, I hope he does well somewhere where his pace and physicality are enough.

 

[domalino]

Constantly getting out of position you mean twice in the game when he go bundled off the ball.

He did play a lot side wards in the first half but as the game went on his confidence grew and he did make some forward passes.

Its evident like a number of people that you have it in for this guy and it does not matter what he does you can only see the negatives.

He was out of position at least 10 times, the fact he only got completely mugged by the attacker 3 times doesn't mean those were the only times he was out of position.

You know what the funny thing is?

I spent most of 15/16 & 14/15 defending Mangala on here, I was one of his staunchest believers, I genuinely thought he'd come good and I posted a lot about being upset he left last season without getting a chance. I watched Valencia games last season, and posted how well he was doing and if it was possible he'd get a chance, I rejoiced when Valencia didn't buy him for the €13m they'd agreed because he was worth more than that.

So no, I'm not a "hater" as you said in your other comment, I don't "have it in for him", I can just see that he's very clearly not up to playing for us, and never will be. It was evident in pre-season, Pep desperately tried to offload him for someone as average as Jonny Evans, and it's even more evident now.

 

[Newquayblue]

Constantly getting out of position you mean twice in the game when he go bundled off the ball.

He did play a lot side wards in the first half but as the game went on his confidence grew and he did make some forward passes.

Its evident like a number of people that you have it in for this guy and it does not matter what he does you can only see the negatives.

I would be sooooo pleased if this lad starts playing with the confidence to be at his best -- Claudio, have a word with him!

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

With the schedule we have, we will need to rotate CH's/DMs out for 1 game in 5/6/7 depending on their injury record.
AMs/Fullbacks/Wingers should be rotated out game in 4/5/6 depending on their injury record.

We need Kompany back fit in mid Nov and Sanchez in Jan. Tuesday told me that Mangala is awful and Tosin is borderline (but I'm still hopeful).

Didn't really answer the question bud...

On the flip side, if it were a champions league final and all 3 were fit, who goes on in?

Hearts will rule heads on this one!

 

[domalino]

I would be sooooo pleased if this lad starts playing with the confidence to be at his best -- Claudio, have a word with him!

The massive difference is that Bravo had the ability to play well, did it for a decade before getting his big move, then proved it for several years at Barcelona.

Mangala has never shown he's got the ability in the first place to fit in a Guardiola side.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

The point is, when these lads start taking on board, which takes time, Pep's advice, they improve exponentially - Mangala is fast, strong, skilful and hard working, everything Pep wants in his players. Stonsey and Ota immense!

You and your crazy Cornish sense of humour! Seriously though ‘skilful’ is what Mangala most definitely ain’t. Uncomfortable in possession and totally unsuited to the way Pep wants his defenders to play. Chuck in lapses in concentration, dithering on the ball and getting relieved of it as a consequence, and a panicky recipient under pressure, and you’re somewhere nearer the truth. Unlike Stones he will never improve to reach the standard required, simply because he isn’t sufficiently accomplished technically. Seems like a nice lad and I wish him well, but whoever scouted him at a cost of £42m should be shot, revived and then shot again