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BimboBob said:
It's not aimed at the unwashed masses in their tiny 2 up/ 2 down Victorian boxes but people with driveways and the cash to put in a charging station on theirs. I looked at buying a Tesla earlier this year, I quite like the look of it, especially inside. That's the pros. The cons far outweigh them. A huge charge for your own station. Lack of decent range. lack of charging stations around the country. Lack of delivery time. Sometime next year apparently.
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2019 now for Model 3
 
Bluemanc100 said:
The investment is mind blowing.. not only for the car production side of things but for after-sales (my involvement) where Tesla are in sole ownership... i.e. not a single franchise now or planned
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I know the money involved is mental, his company is valued at $50 billion, yet as I previously said he's only selling 76.000 cars a year & with a huge loss.
Yet look at the Ford, a company that sells 2.5 million cars a year and is valued at a lower $45 billion
 
tshirtman said:
I know the money involved is mental, his company is valued at $50 billion, yet as I previously said he's only selling 76.000 cars a year & with a huge loss.
Yet look at the Ford, a company that sells 2.5 million cars a year and is valued at a lower $45 billion
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He is making more money (or will do) on the Power Wall.. he also has money to burn from Space X.. this guy ain't going nowhere
 
BimboBob said:
It's not aimed at the unwashed masses in their tiny 2 up/ 2 down Victorian boxes but people with driveways and the cash to put in a charging station on theirs. I looked at buying a Tesla earlier this year, I quite like the look of it, especially inside. That's the pros. The cons far outweigh them. A huge charge for your own station. Lack of decent range. lack of charging stations around the country. Lack of delivery time. Sometime next year apparently.
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When you say a huge charge for your own station, what do you mean? I've just been in Nissan and looking at the new Nissan Leaf and i have to say im extremely interested in it. Looks great inside, range 235 miles, they install a charge point at your house as part of the price, 150 bhp, no petrol fees ever again, no tax, decent size and fairly big boot. My only worry is lack of charging stations once you are out and about, but for me i work from home and don't do a lot of driving.
 
willipp said:
When you say a huge charge for your own station, what do you mean? I've just been in Nissan and looking at the new Nissan Leaf and i have to say im extremely interested in it. Looks great inside, range 235 miles, they install a charge point at your house as part of the price, 150 bhp, no petrol fees ever again, no tax, decent size and fairly big boot. My only worry is lack of charging stations once you are out and about, but for me i work from home and don't do a lot of driving.
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There are lots of charging stations out there... as I said on another post, an all electric-vehicle will force you to rethink the way you drive and live... Its the biggest learning curve for new EV owners. I am not one (yet) but i am directly involved with a big-player in the market daily for work and have a vested interest in staying on top of the situation

By the way, if you ever bought or sold something and used PayPal then you can claim to have supported Tesla's birth.. Musk and his business partner made PayPal work before selling to eBay eventually...
 
Bluemanc100 said:
There are lots of charging stations out there... as I said on another post, an all electric-vehicle will force you to rethink the way you drive and live... Its the biggest learning curve for new EV owners. I am not one (yet) but i am directly involved with a big-player in the market daily for work and have a vested interest in staying on top of the situation

By the way, if you ever bought or sold something and used PayPal then you can claim to have supported Tesla's birth.. Musk and his business partner made PayPal work before selling to eBay eventually...
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When you say its the biggest learning curve, what do you mean? In terms of charging it, way it drives? We spend about 120 a month on petrol yet we hardly go anywhere. Just a load of short journeys to school, nursery, shops etc, very rarely have to go on a journey more than 70/80 miles.
 
There are more and more charging points popping up everywhere, retail parks, car parks, service stations etc where you can go for some R&R whilst your car gets some as well. Nice.
I'll be moving from a 2.2 diesel to a hybrid next time I change car. Not ready for a complete electric yet, perhaps the one after next.
 
willipp said:
When you say a huge charge for your own station, what do you mean? I've just been in Nissan and looking at the new Nissan Leaf and i have to say im extremely interested in it. Looks great inside, range 235 miles, they install a charge point at your house as part of the price, 150 bhp, no petrol fees ever again, no tax, decent size and fairly big boot. My only worry is lack of charging stations once you are out and about, but for me i work from home and don't do a lot of driving.
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500 quid plus an electrician to do the job. An approved one. Not as expensive as I remember if I'm honest. You do need a driveway though as it goes where you park your car.
 
willipp said:
When you say its the biggest learning curve, what do you mean? In terms of charging it, way it drives? We spend about 120 a month on petrol yet we hardly go anywhere. Just a load of short journeys to school, nursery, shops etc, very rarely have to go on a journey more than 70/80 miles.
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I mean that having an EV means a mind-shift because for a pure EV you cant simply fill when empty. You will become used to planning usage or planning charging up front.

Tesla systems really support the driver to locate and plan in charging stops and let's face it, if there is a supercharger en route then 20 minutes to top up is about the time it takes for a comfort break and a brew... If these stops are planned in (where needed) then the journey will have less driving in it while tired or in discomfort

I ordered the Model 3 when it was announced (as did around 400,000 others who put 1000 of their local currency down).. Like it or not it's the future IMHO

There is clearly an ethical or ecological issue at present because buy a Tesla for example and it was manufactured in the US, partly disassembled, then shipped (using fossil fuels) to the Netherlands and re-manufactured... then it would be transported to your local dealer (more fossil fuel)

You will also need to charge it (fossil fuel, wood or nuclear I guess)
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I mean that having an EV means a mind-shift because for a pure EV you cant simply fill when empty. You will become used to planning usage or planning charging up front.

Tesla systems really support the driver to locate and plan in charging stops and let's face it, if there is a supercharger en route then 20 minutes to top up is about the time it takes for a comfort break and a brew... If these stops are planned in (where needed) then the journey will have less driving in it while tired or in discomfort
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I travel up and down the M1, M25 a lot due to family being on the South Coast. It's a 200 odd mile round trip so it's feasible on one charge. Might have to re-think the next car we buy.
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I mean that having an EV means a mind-shift because for a pure EV you cant simply fill when empty. You will become used to planning usage or planning charging up front.

Tesla systems really support the driver to locate and plan in charging stops and let's face it, if there is a supercharger en route then 20 minutes to top up is about the time it takes for a comfort break and a brew... If these stops are planned in (where needed) then the journey will have less driving in it while tired or in discomfort

I ordered the Model 3 when it was announced (as did around 400,000 others who put 1000 of their local currency down).. Like it or not it's the future IMHO

There is clearly an ethical or ecological issue at present because buy a Tesla for example and it was manufactured in the US, partly disassembled, then shipped (using fossil fuels) to the Netherlands and re-manufactured... then it would be transported to your local dealer (more fossil fuel)

You will also need to charge it (fossil fuel, wood or nuclear I guess)
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I am involved with their project on a daily basis but my own employer won't stretch to a Model S for my company car sadly
 
Bluemanc100 said:
I mean that having an EV means a mind-shift because for a pure EV you cant simply fill when empty. You will become used to planning usage or planning charging up front.

Tesla systems really support the driver to locate and plan in charging stops and let's face it, if there is a supercharger en route then 20 minutes to top up is about the time it takes for a comfort break and a brew... If these stops are planned in (where needed) then the journey will have less driving in it while tired or in discomfort

I ordered the Model 3 when it was announced (as did around 400,000 others who put 1000 of their local currency down).. Like it or not it's the future IMHO

There is clearly an ethical or ecological issue at present because buy a Tesla for example and it was manufactured in the US, partly disassembled, then shipped (using fossil fuels) to the Netherlands and re-manufactured... then it would be transported to your local dealer (more fossil fuel)

You will also need to charge it (fossil fuel, wood or nuclear I guess)
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Yeah absolutely get what you mean and i think its just something that will take some getting used to and changing how you drive, but once you do get used to it it will just become second nature. Also as more and more people take the plunge i imagine the places to charge will dramatically increase. I was looking at the leaf just now and the display was great in terms of how your power is draining and also where the nearest chargers were on the sat nav. The 235 mile range is definitely a plus as well as thats always been the big turn off for me.
 
BimboBob said:
I travel up and down the M1, M25 a lot due to family being on the South Coast. It's a 200 odd mile round trip so it's feasible on one charge. Might have to re-think the next car we buy.
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I met a guy at Tesla in West Drayton (Uxbridge / Heathrow area) who travelled twice a week from Glasgow to London with his Model S. He was on the old scheme with free charging for life to it was costing him the car price plus occasional tyres (servicing is included in the price of the car and there is no "up-sell" at all from Tesla, most of their service centres don't even take card payments or cash)
 
Henkeman said:
Er, yeah, by reducing the power. You do realise how tyres work, right?
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I was on the tools for 20 odd years

Granted you will eat tyres if you use in "Ludicrous" mode all day but who would... Tesla have the control and delivery side sorted trust me so getting the power down will be less of a challenge than with a heat engine.... There is no reciprocal energy to counteract so power is infinitely more controllable than in a conventional car
 
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