Yaya Toure - 2017/18 performances

[Ric]

One of our greatest ever players. His legs are shot though, sadly. Would be great to see him have one last hurrah with the club, before moving on to New York City. Wouldn't be surprised if he was removed from the CL squad before the knock out phases though.

 

[FJRMCFC]

So let's just ignore Silva being the best player we've ever had being the key factor to everything, or do you just see it as goals being the key factor? Yaya had 2 years of being an absolute beast... if 2 years is all it takes being a City legend these days then I guess Ederson and Bernardo can also be club legends next season. why not make Balotelli a legend as well for his assist to Aguero?

Sorry, I definitely prefer Yaya taking the game by the scruff of the neck virtually every time we needed him to Silva playing the support role.
And 2 years is a blatant lie, not even going to address that.

 

[mancunial]

Yaya was the rock this side was built on, he was the catalyst that sent city forward from that semi final goal along with the two at Newcastle along with his performances in the 13 14 season, one of the most influential players over the past 8 years, never will I have a bad word to say about the guy

 

[mancunial]

Ps pay him some more [emoji3]

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Sorry, I definitely prefer Yaya taking the game by the scruff of the neck virtually every time we needed him to Silva playing the support role.
And 2 years is a blatant lie, not even going to address that.

Great it's a lie but you won't back that theory up will relative evidence, we'll just take your word for it.

Not sure what support roles have to do with a club legend status, but without David Silva's influence, and others we wouldn't have achieved what we have, football isn't an individual sport it's a team game... so to suggest that Yaya is single handily responsible for our trophies is outrageous.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Mate, you’ve conveniently omitted the first part of my sentence about if Dinho is injured. Strange post.

Because it wasn't really relevant. Yaya has not been relied on in any game that has mattered never mind a big one so regardless he wouldn't play. The Manager would just select someone else has he has done. Whether they turn out to be good enough time will tell but we need to plan for Fernandinho's departure that's for sure.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Because it wasn't really relevant. Yaya has not been relied on in any game that has mattered never mind a big one so regardless he wouldn't play. The Manager would just select someone else has he has done. Whether they turn out to be good enough time will tell but we need to plan for Fernandinho's departure that's for sure.

Notions like this is what makes me think about Yaya's importance over the last 3 seasons, Fernandinho has pretty much made the thought of Yaya irrelevant... we never went out looking for a replacement for Yaya, yet were find ourselves in a position needing a replacement for Fernandinho.

 

[FJRMCFC]

Great it's a lie but you won't back that theory up will relative evidence, we'll just take your word for it.

Not sure what support roles have to do with a club legend status, but without David Silva's influence, and others we wouldn't have achieved what we have, football isn't an individual sport it's a team game... so to suggest that Yaya is single handily responsible for our trophies is outrageous.

2010-2015 were his best years. Easy to forget we signed him at 27 too, we got every single last drop out of him.

Of course it’s a team game, but Yaya played a bigger role and was much more influential than anyone else. Plain and simple.

 

[Plain Speaking]

Wasn't it Francis Lee that said at a HT pitch side address recently, (Southampton I think), something like, he thought "Yaya has been the most important player in our success following the takeover"?

 

[Tom_mcfc]

Many different ways it can be looked at and different things to take into account. Is Yaya a city legend. Of course he is, is he our best ever player? Not even close.

 

[The blue phantom]

Nice to see the big man come on last night. I know we have our superstars who are now involved in one hell of a special team, But i always think Ya Ya was the biggest and most important signing years ago. Lets give him one last Pl medal.

 

[Rammy Blue]

Because it wasn't really relevant. Yaya has not been relied on in any game that has mattered never mind a big one so regardless he wouldn't play. The Manager would just select someone else has he has done. Whether they turn out to be good enough time will tell but we need to plan for Fernandinho's departure that's for sure.

Thing is though that people seem to be conveniently forgetting the squad size limitations, we can’t just give him a spot based on posterity, we need to know he can provide us with what we require.

 

[The blue phantom]

Many different ways it can be looked at and different things to take into account. Is Yaya a city legend. Of course he is, is he our best ever player? Not even close.

I just posted on the player performance thread abt Ya Ya, He was without doubt our most important signing, as for our best player, no.

 

[The blue phantom]

Great, so he's only useful when we're 3 goals ahead against a poor side? He stole a bench spot from Foden and Diaz tonight, either of whom could have used the game time and would have been better options if we'd needed someone to come on who could have made a difference.

I guess Pep disagrees with you regarding who he had on the bench last night.

 

[Tom_mcfc]

I just posted on the player performance thread abt Ya Ya, He was without doubt our most important signing, as for our best player, no.

That's what I mean, legend - absolutely. Big game player with very important moments yes. Best player - no, for many different reasons.

 

[talkativesprout]

Notions like this is what makes me think about Yaya's importance over the last 3 seasons, Fernandinho has pretty much made the thought of Yaya irrelevant... we never went out looking for a replacement for Yaya, yet were find ourselves in a position needing a replacement for Fernandinho.

Turns out Pep playing against the grain with 2 highly talented midfielders in the same side means a lone specialist fulcrum is not needed with both Kev and Merlin able to drop In and start off the attackes and then contribute to them after

 

[Neville Kneville]

I can count on 1 hand how many times Yaya has won an aerial duel in his entire city career.

You could count a lot more since he was coached by Pep & required to do it.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Thing is though that people seem to be conveniently forgetting the squad size limitations, we can’t just give him a spot based on posterity, we need to know he can provide us with what we require.

We don't have a like for like replacement for Fenandinho & Yaya has never been that player. He has never been someone who chased the ball around (he didn't even do that at Barca) his best years under Mancini due to his passing & his attacking skills not his 'defensive midfielder' attributes. The worst game he ever played was also under Mancini, when he stood around like a block of flats in the Ukraine. He was garbage v Napoli the fitst time we played there & at fault for several goals.

He had also been crucial to pretty much every trophy we have won since the takeover.

He isn't Fernandinho & neither is Gundogan. Neither can replace him any better than the other & neither is as good as Silva & KDB.

If either Yaya or Gundogan are to play, either the team is weakened or the team shape needs changing. Then either might be pretty good with match fitness.

But as a replacement for Fernandinho, no. They are not good enough defensively. Either is a gamble in that position.

 

[Rammy Blue]

We don't have a like for like replacement for Fenandinho & Yaya has never been that player. He has never been someone who chased the ball around (he didn't even do that at Barca) his best years under Mancini due to his passing & his attacking skills not his 'defensive midfielder' attributes. The worst game he ever played was also under Mancini, when he stood around like a block of flats in the Ukraine. He was garbage v Napoli the fitst time we played there & at fault for several goals.

He had also been crucial to pretty much every trophy we have won since the takeover.

He isn't Fernandinho & neither is Gundogan. Neither can replace him any better than the other & neither is as good as Silva & KDB.

If either Yaya or Gundogan are to play, either the team is weakened or the team shape needs changing. Then either might be pretty good with match fitness.

But as a replacement for Fernandinho, no. They are not good enough defensively. Either is a gamble in that position.

Yep, agree with all of that.

 

[FlyingKiwi]

I'd like to put my two cents in regarding what is perceived to be a lack of effort from Yaya.

There are two versions of Yaya: The young industrious Yaya, and the old "lazy" Yaya. First of all, we need to forget about the first version. The guy is 34, he can't be the effective box to box midfielder of the past. What he can be is an experienced, technically imperial maestro, and I don't use the word maestro lightly. The common sentiment I feel from this thread is that you need to defend to be a "proper" midfielder. One example that destroys this argument is Pirlo. Pirlo was never a defender. In fact, he barely moved in either direction whether its offensively or defensively, and he was arguably the best midfielder of this century. Does anyone here in his right mind question Yaya's technical ability and understanding of the game?

Now I agree entirely that Yaya can't slot in a KDB-Ferna-SIlva dynamic, his current style of play is very different. But he can definitely dictate play with minimal physical effort in his own slow style. Yes he won't play the Guardiola way, but he is at least an above average player by this league's standards if used correctly.

People also tend to underestimate what a cl winner gives to the team by simply existing. Make no mistake, this guy is more important off the field than on it.