Liverpool (A) Post Match Thread.

[kiam06]

Mistakes cost us.

After second half first ten mins I thought we've got this then the mistakes crept back in.

Won't do us any harm in the long run let the dippers enjoy their world cup win.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Also, sad to see see a stream of people leave at 4-1. We Fight to the End!

 

[ganganvince]

Here we go 8 hours in work in Liverpool.

 

[Gazza]

This might work in our favour for a few games - teams thinking they can get at our dodgy defence instead of parking the bus all game.

 

[East Level 2]

Are we relegated yet?
IIRC we've passed the 40 points mark a while ago, or has the defeat at Klanfield and the celebrations of the racists dippers erased them?
I'm confused.

Correct - you are confused.
This is a thread about the game yesterday not about relegation and not about winning the title.

 

[blueincy]

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Totally agree. We've lost before a ball is kicked. Happens every season.

They always used to say that about Spurs going to Anfield. They didn't win there from 1912 to 1985 and it's not like they were sending the same team for 70-odd years. The longer a run like that goes on, the more it must prey on the players' minds, even if they haven't played there more than once or twice. And despite knowing that they will come out of the blocks like Usain Bolt, we never seem prepared for it when we go there and always concede early.

For that first goal, Fernandinho lost possession far too easily, didn't make enough attempt to recover and no one covered the Ox's run, plus Ederson's positioning looked a bit suspect. I think he could have got out a bit more to narrow the angle.

For the second, I don't know whether it was a foul on Stones or not. It looked to me at the time like Firmino used his strength but Stones should never have let it get to that. If you watch the head-on camera view carefully you see he had his body between Firmino and the ball and was seemingly in a position to play it and move away from Firmino towards the touchline. Yet he alters the angle of his movement away from the ball & towards Firmino, possibly trying to block him off (which he obviously fails to do). It looked like he would have been better taking the ball on but he let it run. Did he think it was going through to Ederson? It was a shocking and lazy decision; he needs to be decisive and get the ball under control. Then, if he is fouled, the ref probably gives it but it ended up looking like a 50/50 physical tussle, in which Stones seems to be trying to obstruct his opponent but loses. Gareth Barry was so good at drawing a foul in those circumstances but Stones was very naive & indecisive.

I'd have taken 1-0 at half-time but was delighted when we went in level as I thought that would be a springboard for a much better second half but we lost our composure after that second goal. Had we not, we could well have got something. I do think Liverpool switched off a bit, thinking the game was won and it would have been hysterical if we'd got that 4th goal to get the point but yet again Aguero showed he has no idea about the offside law. Hard to single one person out among a sea of mediocrity but he really had a stinker.

The stats say we had 64% possession and 86% pass completion rate but it didn't feel like it. Apart from the odd burst by Sane, we were completely toothless up front for most of the game. Sterling needs to sort out his head at Anfield but he's no different to Nasri or Barry against their old clubs.

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

 

[chesterbells]

They always used to say that about Spurs going to Anfield. They didn't win there from 1912 to 1985 and it's not like they were sending the same team fur 70-odd years. The longer a run like that goes on, the more it must prey on the players' minds, even if they haven't played there more than once or twice. And despite knowing that they will come out of the blocks like Usain Bolt, we never seem prepared for it when we go there and always comcede early.

For that first goal, Fernandinho lost possession far too easily, didn't make enough attempt to recover and no one covered the Ox's run, plus Ederson's positioning looked a bit suspect. I think he could have got out a bit more to narrow the angle.

For the second, I don't know whether it was a foul on Stones or not. It looked to me at the time like Firmino used his strength but Stones should never have let it get to that. If you watch the head-on camera view carefully you see he had his body between Firmino and the ball and was seemingly in a position to play it and move away from Firmino towards the touchline. Yet he alters the angle of his movement away from the ball & towards Firmino, possibly trying to block him off (which he obviously fails to do). It looked like he would have been easier to take the ball on but he let it run. Did he think it was going through to Ederson? It was a shocking and lazy decision; he needs to be decisive and get hte ball under control. Then, if he is fouled, the ref probably gives it but it ended up looking like a 50/50 physical tussle, in which Stones seems to be trying to obstruct his opponent but loses. Gareth Barry was so good at drawing a foul in those circumstances but Stones was very naive & indecisive.

I'd have taken 1-0 at half-time but was delighted when we went in level as I thought that would be a springboard for a much better second half but we lost our composure after that second goal. Had we not, we could well have got something. I do think Liverpool switched off a bit, thinking the game was won and it would have been hysterical if we'd got that 4th goal to get the point but yet again Aguero showed he has no idea about the offside law. Hard to single one person out among a sea of mediocrity but he really had a stinker.

The stats say we had 64% possession and 86% pass completion rate but it didn't feel like it. Apart from the odd burst by Sane, we were completely toothless up front for most of the game. Sterling needs to sort out his head at Anfield but he's no different to Nasri or Barry against their old clubs.

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

Excellent summary. The word naive stands out big time

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Here we go 8 hours in work in Liverpool.

8 hours work in Liverpool? You get a gold watch & a party for doing that long there.

Something else I forgot to mention. Did anyone else pick up on Shearer's remark on MOTD2? He said something like "Liverpool played with pace and energy and they kept that up for 90 minutes, which most sides can't do". Interesting that they seem to be able to chase around for 90 minutes with those energy levels when we looked tired. Bit like Leicester a couple of seasons ago.

 

[Saddleworth2]

They always used to say that about Spurs going to Anfield. They didn't win there from 1912 to 1985 and it's not like they were sending the same team fur 70-odd years. The longer a run like that goes on, the more it must prey on the players' minds, even if they haven't played there more than once or twice. And despite knowing that they will come out of the blocks like Usain Bolt, we never seem prepared for it when we go there and always comcede early.

For that first goal, Fernandinho lost possession far too easily, didn't make enough attempt to recover and no one covered the Ox's run, plus Ederson's positioning looked a bit suspect. I think he could have got out a bit more to narrow the angle.

For the second, I don't know whether it was a foul on Stones or not. It looked to me at the time like Firmino used his strength but Stones should never have let it get to that. If you watch the head-on camera view carefully you see he had his body between Firmino and the ball and was seemingly in a position to play it and move away from Firmino towards the touchline. Yet he alters the angle of his movement away from the ball & towards Firmino, possibly trying to block him off (which he obviously fails to do). It looked like he would have been easier to take the ball on but he let it run. Did he think it was going through to Ederson? It was a shocking and lazy decision; he needs to be decisive and get hte ball under control. Then, if he is fouled, the ref probably gives it but it ended up looking like a 50/50 physical tussle, in which Stones seems to be trying to obstruct his opponent but loses. Gareth Barry was so good at drawing a foul in those circumstances but Stones was very naive & indecisive.

I'd have taken 1-0 at half-time but was delighted when we went in level as I thought that would be a springboard for a much better second half but we lost our composure after that second goal. Had we not, we could well have got something. I do think Liverpool switched off a bit, thinking the game was won and it would have been hysterical if we'd got that 4th goal to get the point but yet again Aguero showed he has no idea about the offside law. Hard to single one person out among a sea of mediocrity but he really had a stinker.

The stats say we had 64% possession and 86% pass completion rate but it didn't feel like it. Apart from the odd burst by Sane, we were completely toothless up front for most of the game. Sterling needs to sort out his head at Anfield but he's no different to Nasri or Barry against their old clubs.

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

This is an excellent summary. It feels annoying that our unbeaten run has gone because of a mental ten minutes. Pep will be transposing that performance by some individuals onto the champions league. No doubt he will be working hard with John to try and get him back to pre injury levels. Onwards and upwards.

 

[Idontpullout]

Liverpool won their cup final
Lets see them singing after 38 games.
I expect a reaction on saturday and an absolute masacre of Newcastle

 

[Cityfan]

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

My impression is that we have been better medically overall. in the last year.
Delphs looked like a completely fresh injury when his knee twisted in trying to make a tackle, Kompany I'm afraid looks like no one knows what to do, Stones may or may not be fully fit but that is different from carrying an injury. We have had fewer muscle strains this year than most other than the chronic Kompany, Stones is the only one that I can recall which happened shortly after England duty. Mendy and this one of Delph have been impact /twists which I don't think they can do much about.

 

[inchy14]

please define' poor fatigue'- what are you tAlking about- arses might be your speciality I think-you are truly a large one

Are you drunk or on drugs?

You said we only had 4 days rest whilst they had 8 and that was the reason we lost, i pointed out that apart from 4 players all ours had roughly 8 days rest, you said we can't criticise them because they were suffering from fatigue, i said that's bollocks which it patently is.

Worse player on the pitch was Fernandinho, he had a good break, Gundogan was also as bad and i'd say he may have been tired but that's it.

If we want to win things we'll have to get used to playing every 4 days or so, it does show the squad needs additions though, need Sanchez asap.

 

[inchy14]

The last month or more's fixture congestion and how many fightbacks we've mounted in those games will have an accumulative effect both physically and mentally that 8 days of "rest"(they would have had a couple of days extra rest and then back in training, also the Stones argument is poor he's been injured, rehab and then rushed back to fitness because we need him). I also think mental fatigue plays a role as much as anything else at this point of the season(Pep has said more so than the physical side in fact and I tend to see what he's saying even as a fan), along with the team chemistry being off due to players like David and Jesus being out, there are plenty of reasons for a dip in form. We will be back at it don't you worry though.

I accept certain players were tired, Gundogan has had to play a lot lately, but if we want to be succesful we need to get used to playing every 4 days or so. I was arguing with the fuckwit who said that nobody can criticise the players because fatigue was the only reason we lost when it obviously wasn't. Simple mistakes by key players cost us, nothing else.

Need to bounce back at the weekend and give Newcastle a hiding.

 

[NorCalBlue]

They had more touches in our box, more shots, more shots on target and at one point were 4-1 up.

Possession means absolutely nothing in that sense, it’s not a positive and we weren’t controlling the game. The game was played exactly how they wanted it to be.

It was played how they wanted for about 20 minutes and that was enough in this game - fair play to them for taking advantage.

However, if we control all but 20 minutes of every game, even against dangerous teams like Liverpool, we'll win most of our games (as has happened so far this season). It's not unlike playing Russian Roulette - you spin the barrel and you know there's a chance you're gonna get your head blown off, but if 5 out of 6 chambers are empty, you'll be okay most of the time.

 

[BlueAnorak]

They always used to say that about Spurs going to Anfield. They didn't win there from 1912 to 1985 and it's not like they were sending the same team for 70-odd years. The longer a run like that goes on, the more it must prey on the players' minds, even if they haven't played there more than once or twice. And despite knowing that they will come out of the blocks like Usain Bolt, we never seem prepared for it when we go there and always concede early.

For that first goal, Fernandinho lost possession far too easily, didn't make enough attempt to recover and no one covered the Ox's run, plus Ederson's positioning looked a bit suspect. I think he could have got out a bit more to narrow the angle.

For the second, I don't know whether it was a foul on Stones or not. It looked to me at the time like Firmino used his strength but Stones should never have let it get to that. If you watch the head-on camera view carefully you see he had his body between Firmino and the ball and was seemingly in a position to play it and move away from Firmino towards the touchline. Yet he alters the angle of his movement away from the ball & towards Firmino, possibly trying to block him off (which he obviously fails to do). It looked like he would have been better taking the ball on but he let it run. Did he think it was going through to Ederson? It was a shocking and lazy decision; he needs to be decisive and get the ball under control. Then, if he is fouled, the ref probably gives it but it ended up looking like a 50/50 physical tussle, in which Stones seems to be trying to obstruct his opponent but loses. Gareth Barry was so good at drawing a foul in those circumstances but Stones was very naive & indecisive.

I'd have taken 1-0 at half-time but was delighted when we went in level as I thought that would be a springboard for a much better second half but we lost our composure after that second goal. Had we not, we could well have got something. I do think Liverpool switched off a bit, thinking the game was won and it would have been hysterical if we'd got that 4th goal to get the point but yet again Aguero showed he has no idea about the offside law. Hard to single one person out among a sea of mediocrity but he really had a stinker.

The stats say we had 64% possession and 86% pass completion rate but it didn't feel like it. Apart from the odd burst by Sane, we were completely toothless up front for most of the game. Sterling needs to sort out his head at Anfield but he's no different to Nasri or Barry against their old clubs.

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

Totally agree with every comment.
We KNOW they are going to come out of the traps like a set of greyhounds - yet we ALWAYS seem to be SURPRISED. It really does my head in.

 

[inchy14]

They always used to say that about Spurs going to Anfield. They didn't win there from 1912 to 1985 and it's not like they were sending the same team for 70-odd years. The longer a run like that goes on, the more it must prey on the players' minds, even if they haven't played there more than once or twice. And despite knowing that they will come out of the blocks like Usain Bolt, we never seem prepared for it when we go there and always concede early.

For that first goal, Fernandinho lost possession far too easily, didn't make enough attempt to recover and no one covered the Ox's run, plus Ederson's positioning looked a bit suspect. I think he could have got out a bit more to narrow the angle.

For the second, I don't know whether it was a foul on Stones or not. It looked to me at the time like Firmino used his strength but Stones should never have let it get to that. If you watch the head-on camera view carefully you see he had his body between Firmino and the ball and was seemingly in a position to play it and move away from Firmino towards the touchline. Yet he alters the angle of his movement away from the ball & towards Firmino, possibly trying to block him off (which he obviously fails to do). It looked like he would have been better taking the ball on but he let it run. Did he think it was going through to Ederson? It was a shocking and lazy decision; he needs to be decisive and get the ball under control. Then, if he is fouled, the ref probably gives it but it ended up looking like a 50/50 physical tussle, in which Stones seems to be trying to obstruct his opponent but loses. Gareth Barry was so good at drawing a foul in those circumstances but Stones was very naive & indecisive.

I'd have taken 1-0 at half-time but was delighted when we went in level as I thought that would be a springboard for a much better second half but we lost our composure after that second goal. Had we not, we could well have got something. I do think Liverpool switched off a bit, thinking the game was won and it would have been hysterical if we'd got that 4th goal to get the point but yet again Aguero showed he has no idea about the offside law. Hard to single one person out among a sea of mediocrity but he really had a stinker.

The stats say we had 64% possession and 86% pass completion rate but it didn't feel like it. Apart from the odd burst by Sane, we were completely toothless up front for most of the game. Sterling needs to sort out his head at Anfield but he's no different to Nasri or Barry against their old clubs.

I'd also ask serious questions of our medical staff, which are the same questions I've been asking for some time. Kompany comes back and goes off injured straight away. Delph comes back and goes off injured straight away (having been allowed to play on yet again). Stones comes back from injury & doesn't look remotely near 100%. I've said this before but the doctor, Max Sala, was appointed by Mancini after the previous doctor, Phil Batty, was sacked for standing up to him over rushing players back too soon. Funnily enough our injury record when Batty was there was fantastic whereas it's been awful under Sala.

Fair points mate, though i do think Delph has now got a new injury as his knee seemed to overstretch and twist slightly. Stones just looks nervous all of a sudden, needs to find that composure again.

 

[domalino]

Something else I forgot to mention. Did anyone else pick up on Shearer's remark on MOTD2? He said something like "Liverpool played with pace and energy and they kept that up for 90 minutes, which most sides can't do". Interesting that they seem to be able to chase around for 90 minutes with those energy levels when we looked tired. Bit like Leicester a couple of seasons ago.

Almost like they had 11 days off in dubai compared to our 3.

Accusing every team that beats us of doping is more than a bit embarrassing.

 

[GSW Blue]

It was played how they wanted for about 20 minutes and that was enough in this game - fair play to them for taking advantage.

However, if we control all but 20 minutes of every game, even against dangerous teams like Liverpool, we'll win most of our games (as has happened so far this season). It's not unlike playing Russian Roulette - you spin the barrel and you know there's a chance you're gonna get your head blown off, but if 5 out of 6 chambers are empty, you'll be okay most of the time.

We are unlikely to win a cup competition like that as there is no coming back from the dead.

 

[Dreadzone]

we had 60 odd per cent possession so wasn't too bad a performance just 3 shit mistakes cost us

This! Fuck me we have some spoilt children/rags infiltrating our our ranks, spreading their immature misguided shit. We EASILY have the best team in the land. Just a shit day at the office!