Alexis Sanchez

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citizens_1976 said:
Mbappe is absolutely superb. He will be seen as an absolute bargain in a few seasons time.
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He wasn't a bargain he was ridiculously overpriced.

If it carries on this way, nobody will be a bargain as no clubs will be able to afford the transfer fee. Or the wages.

Sanchez at 350k pw would be fucking obscene, as is the amount PSG & Utd have inflated the transfer market.
 
Neville Kneville said:
He wasn't a bargain he was ridiculously overpriced.

If it carries on this way, nobody will be a bargain as no clubs will be able to afford the transfer fee. Or the wages.

Sanchez at 350k pw would be fucking obscene, as is the amount PSG & Utd have inflated the transfer market.
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But we get the blame
 
citizens_1976 said:
I can, but Sanchez will only cost about 30m in transfer fee, which is why the wages are more excessive. That is a bargain in today's market.
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3 years at 350k week is 54m plus 35m fee plus 15m signing on fee plus 10m agent fees is heading towards 120m for a 3 yr contract with limited saleable asset at the end (40m a year).
Kdb is costing us less than that over 5 years (and a saleable asset)
Sanchez may be the answer but cheap/bargain he aint.
 
IndyKalia (I know, I'm grasping at straws haha!) have just released a statement from 90min.com saying that we have submitted a final offer for Sanchez which, although doesn't top United's, it's understood to be close.

2 very up and down sources though so take it with a pinch of salt.
 
Neville Kneville said:
He wasn't a bargain he was ridiculously overpriced.

If it carries on this way, nobody will be a bargain as no clubs will be able to afford the transfer fee. Or the wages.

Sanchez at 350k pw would be fucking obscene, as is the amount PSG & Utd have inflated the transfer market.
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I think the point he's making is that while Mbappe might look like a silly deal now, he'll probably look like a great deal in 10 years. See Rooney/Ferdinand.
 
blue5ter said:
There is a really simple solution - a player's agent should be paid by the player, out of the players money, on a %age basis. Or, there should be a standardised formula (most likely a standardised %age). Pretty much any other system creates a conflict of interest. It's almost unheard of in any other walk of life for the agent of the 'talent' to be paid for by the hirer of the talent, pretty much whatever figure the agent plucks out of the air

The agent in this instance can name almost any figure they want. Let's say £10M. If United say yes and we say no, the agent will as you say do everything they can to force a move to United. Is the player even made aware ? There is insufficient regulation to be sure. THe system is geared to the benefit of agents, to the detriment of all the other parties. The system is inherently wrong and broken but the agents seem to hold too much power for the clubs to do anything about it.

The way it should work, in an example like this where a low transfer fee & high wages are paid because there isn't much left on the contract, is that there is a large signing on fee and the agent takes a percentage of that. If that was the case, which it would be in any other industry, the agent would be working on behalf of his client (the player) to get him the best deal possible which in turn would him the most as agent.

It's not rocket science. But there are no real signs of any major shifts in stance looking likely

What you would like to see, if this is one of the main stumbling blocks with Sanchez, is he turns round to his agent and say you will get whatever you get from the club I decide I'm going to. But does he even legally, have that power ? Or can the agent stand there and say if city dont pay me, the agent, what United will, I won't sanction the move ?
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That's what I mean, its absolutely bonkers. I always feel that United's strategy in the market is to persuade the agent before persuading the player. They definitely target agents who are after a big payday. Once they have won the battle with the agent, they are half way there. This is where players get their head turned, because agents fill their head with a load of shit and false promises just so they get the best deal they can. They have way too much power and it is time for a change. Time to stop letting agents dictate exactly what they want, teams like Utd drop their knickers for any agent who has approached them simply because they need to keep selling their faltering brand and keep their name in the headlights at every opportunity to star players. They are taking extremely calculated financial risks in order to keep themselves at the top competing with the likes of us.

It makes me wonder how a team like Utd in millions and millions of pounds worth of debt (with interest rising on top every year) can maintain this sort of spending power. At some stage it could soon blow up in their faces big time and they could end up a complete mess.
 
nmc said:
But we get the blame
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Utd & their international cronies have been doing this for decades.

As I've posted on here, I think it's deliberate. It wipes out 95% of the competition.

All these clubs in the Premier League who tried to stitch us up with ffp, were all thinking of the next tv deal & how much better off they would be.

All they did was help Utd stay competitive. Then Utd go 'cheers' Everton etc, we'll spend more than your whole budget, on one player.

Back down you go.
 
Neville Kneville said:
He wasn't a bargain he was ridiculously overpriced.

If it carries on this way, nobody will be a bargain as no clubs will be able to afford the transfer fee. Or the wages.

Sanchez at 350k pw would be fucking obscene, as is the amount PSG & Utd have inflated the transfer market.
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We will see in a couple of seasons time how good the Mbappe deal this summer looks to other deals. Players nowhere near as good as him will be going for around the same money, mark my words. The value in the market is just obscene altogether.
 
citizens_1976 said:
That's what I mean, its absolutely bonkers. I always feel that United's strategy in the market is to persuade the agent before persuading the player. They definitely target agents who are after a big payday. Once they have won the battle with the agent, they are half way there. This is where players get their head turned, because agents fill their head with a load of shit and false promises just so they get the best deal they can. They have way too much power and it is time for a change. Time to stop letting agents dictate exactly what they want, teams like Utd drop their knickers for any agent who has approached them simply because they need to keep selling their faltering brand to star players and to take calculated financial risks in order to keep themselves ay the top competing.

It makes me wonder how a team like Utd in millions and millions of pounds worth of debt can maintain this sort of spending power, at some stage it could soon blow up in their faces big time.
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They're glorified recruiters. Recruiters take a payment from the company when they find an employee for them to hire. It isn't much different. The amounts are obviously vastly inflated because there is only one/very few Alexis Sanchez types in the world, but thousands of Gary the Accountants.

So it is no surprise, nor different to every day life. It is the size of the payments which are ridiculous.

Fans perception that football isn't a business doesn't help and hence it becomes easy to resent someone for making money out of a deal and that money doesn't stay within the game.

It will not change until there is blanket regulation, but don't expect that any time soon. As long as the law makers continue to make money, why would they.
Taking a stance to not pay it is admirable, but flawed on our own as it is a broken system.
 
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