Veganism

[Juan King]

I genuinely missed the taste of beef, it is something I don't want to live without and I love cows bless em :(. But I am going to cut down my meat and diary consumption anyway it is just gluttony to be honest. I love coconut milk and liked making my porridge with almond milk as appose to cows milk. Something does have to change though especially in America, the amount of food they waste yearly could end world hunger. Too many animals are killed and then not eaten, it is just wrong.

It's not an easy thing to completely change your diet, but it is possible and I know this because I have done it myself. Even cutting down and eating meat less days a week is going to have a positive impact. There are alternatives to virtually everything. I use water to make my porridge, I get the flavour from maple syrup, bluberries, banana, peanut butter & mixed nuts & seeds.

You can get support & help with recipes, mentoring and dietary advice if you ever want to try it again or just to help you cut down a bit. On this link: https://www.challenge22.com/challenge22/

Luckily there are people making lab grown meat substitutes that will probably taste better than real meat in a few years. At that point animal agriculture will be a thing of the past.

 

[Mancityus]

What about the choice of the animal who wants to live. Do you think they would see the merit in people not eating them?

Do you think our morality should be based on "the laws of nature"?

Tbf the reason for humans to pick what kind of food they should eat should be be based on laws of nature and scientific reasoning than just morals.

The biggest difference between carnivorous and herbivorous is the length of their Digestive System. The human body digestion system right from structure of teeth to length of intestine (close to 25 ft average) is designed to process vegetarian diet. The main reason is that flesh rots very quick, which means that it has to be processed all the nutrients as fast as possible.

Also the food we take in has to be digested and ultimately become a part of you, the human cell structure being quite complex it is better for body to consume food with cell structure which is simple so it can be assimilated easily rather than cell structure which itself is complex and is difficult to change and assimilate into human cell structure. The cell structures found in vegetable are simplest to absorb and assimilate into the human body.

Even if someone has to take non-vegetarian diet, for good of the body it would be better to pick a food which is farthest away in evolutionary scale from human beings as possible - for example fish.

 

[yankblue]

How do you know if someone is a Vegan?

Don't worry, they'll fucking tell you.

 

[KS55]

Tbf the reason for humans to pick what kind of food they should eat should be be based on laws of nature and scientific reasoning than just morals.

The biggest difference between carnivorous and herbivorous is the length of their Digestive System. The human body digestion system right from structure of teeth to length of intestine (close to 25 ft average) is designed to process vegetarian diet. The main reason is that flesh rots very quick, which means that it has to be processed all the nutrients as fast as possible.

Also the food we take in has to be digested and ultimately become a part of you, the human cell structure being quite complex it is better for body to consume food with cell structure which is simple so it can be assimilated easily rather than cell structure which itself is complex and is difficult to change and assimilate into human cell structure. The cell structures found in vegetable are simplest to absorb and assimilate into the human body.

Even if someone has to take non-vegetarian diet, for good of the body it would be better to pick a food which is farthest away in evolutionary scale from human beings as possible - for example fish.

Are you sure about this? First by digestion and then by metabolic pathways, all ingested organic material is synthesized by breaking down the molecules and reconstruction through physical and bio chemical action. We do not absorb the cells of such material, they are destroyed by this process.

 

[idahoblues]

I love a great steak! corned beef hash, baked ham,leg of lamb..........

 

[malg]

Corned beef......love the stuff.

 

[blueinsa]

How do you know if someone is a Vegan?

Don't worry, they'll fucking tell you.

Haha very much this.

Its a hipster choice, a big fat look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeee and how cool and trendy i am.

Another thing to scream at the world through their social media accounts ;-)

 

[i kne albert davy]

Tbf the reason for humans to pick what kind of food they should eat should be be based on laws of nature and scientific reasoning than just morals.

The biggest difference between carnivorous and herbivorous is the length of their Digestive System. The human body digestion system right from structure of teeth to length of intestine (close to 25 ft average) is designed to process vegetarian diet. The main reason is that flesh rots very quick, which means that it has to be processed all the nutrients as fast as possible.

Also the food we take in has to be digested and ultimately become a part of you, the human cell structure being quite complex it is better for body to consume food with cell structure which is simple so it can be assimilated easily rather than cell structure which itself is complex and is difficult to change and assimilate into human cell structure. The cell structures found in vegetable are simplest to absorb and assimilate into the human body.

Even if someone has to take non-vegetarian diet, for good of the body it would be better to pick a food which is farthest away in evolutionary scale from human beings as possible - for example fish.

Bloody hell how far from the truth is this the rabbits intestine a herbivore and a human are about the same length, millions of years of evolution has made us omnivores if you don't want to eat meat fine enjoy it might even be good for you and of course very trendy.

 

[johnmc]

Corned beef......love the stuff.

Is that even meat though?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Dogs are not omnivores, they are exclusively carnivores. You can introduce grain into their diet, but is must be done safely and moderately and the bulk must still be meat.

Do me and everyone else a favour; never own a dog.

Oh I don't know, these are lovely parboiled, skewered, and finished off on the barbecue.

 

[Juan King]

Haha very much this.

Its a hipster choice, a big fat look at meeeeeeeeeeeeeee and how cool and trendy i am.

Another thing to scream at the world through their social media accounts ;-)

How many vegans do you know first hand?

I know quite a few & they come from a total cross section of society, and different age groups, most are anything but hipsters. All the ones that I know believe it is the best thing to do for the animals, environment & their own health. The numbers are growing every day.

The ones I know are mostly people who will speak up against something that they see as causing unjustified suffering, rather than going with what is currently the "norm" because they are scared of what the bigger group say.

You said yesterday that you were against animal cruelty. Try watching this with the sound on, which is standard practice in the UK & tell me if you think this is cruelty or not?

 

[quiet_riot]

That's fucking horrific.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

How many vegans do you know first hand?

I know quite a few & they come from a total cross section of society, and different age groups, most are anything but hipsters. All the ones that I know believe it is the best thing to do for the animals, environment & their own health. The numbers are growing every day.

The ones I know are mostly people who will speak up against something that they see as causing unjustfied suffering, rather than going with what is currently the "norm" because they are scared of what the bigger group say.

You said yesterday that you were against animal cruelty. Try watching this with the sound on, which is standard practice in the UK & tell me if you think this is cruelty or not?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

god you're behaving like the rags.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

 

[Banned Tosspot]

Outside city centre Boots is where you'll find these idiots chalking their facts all over the walkway.

 

[FantasyIreland]

How many vegans do you know first hand?

I know quite a few & they come from a total cross section of society, and different age groups, most are anything but hipsters. All the ones that I know believe it is the best thing to do for the animals, environment & their own health. The numbers are growing every day.

The ones I know are mostly people who will speak up against something that they see as causing unjustified suffering, rather than going with what is currently the "norm" because they are scared of what the bigger group say.

You said yesterday that you were against animal cruelty. Try watching this with the sound on, which is standard practice in the UK & tell me if you think this is cruelty or not?

If I hadn't seen that with my own eyes id have thought it was pure porkies.

 

[west didsblue]

How many vegans do you know first hand?

I know quite a few & they come from a total cross section of society, and different age groups, most are anything but hipsters. All the ones that I know believe it is the best thing to do for the animals, environment & their own health. The numbers are growing every day.

The ones I know are mostly people who will speak up against something that they see as causing unjustified suffering, rather than going with what is currently the "norm" because they are scared of what the bigger group say.

You said yesterday that you were against animal cruelty. Try watching this with the sound on, which is standard practice in the UK & tell me if you think this is cruelty or not?

I find it quite distasteful that some Vegans openly equate animal slaughter to human genocide. Using the term "gas chamber" is clearly a reference to the Holocaust and if you think I'm being overly sensitive, have a look at the comments on the Youtube page where that video is hosted. Mellow Joe has previously referenced the Holocaust in relation to walking past a butchers and now this.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Mellow Joe has previously referenced the Holocaust in relation to walking past a butchers and now this.

'' Yes madam, all our produce has been tortured proper,''

 

[Juan King]

I find it quite distasteful that some Vegans openly equate animal slaughter to human genocide. Using the term "gas chamber" is clearly a reference to the Holocaust and if you think I'm being overly sensitive, have a look at the comments on the Youtube page where that video is hosted. Mellow Joe has previously referenced the Holocaust in relation to walking past a butchers and now this.

I think the title of the video describes what it is, it is footage of pigs going into a gas chamber. The video was posted in reponse to one person saying animals aren't capable of feeling pain & another saying that they were against animal cruelty. My question of the footage is does it look like the pigs are suffering & in pain on the video & is their treatment cruel do you think? I haven't read all of the many comments on the youtube page, to check what people have written & wasn't trying to make any kind of holocaust comparison.

I haven't used the term, but on your point about referencing the word holocaust. The word actually means: "destruction or slaughter on a mass scale", such as in the term nuclear holocaust. A Jewish activist called Gary Yourofsky actually came up with the term "animal holocaust" & Israel now has the most vegans per capita in the world, largely as a resut of Yourofsky's activism there. That may be where some people get the term from, however I don't refer to this myself.

Do you find the actual footage distasteful also or is it just the use of language in the comments that upsets you?