VAR (PL introduction 2019)

BlueHammer85 said:
Yes, because the constant incorrect decisions the refs make, the constant allegations that the refs cheat and the overall abuse to the ref is working really well. Fuck giving them any help whilst 22 players are constantly play acting, cheating and diving whilst 40,000 fans are appealing for every decision.

Let’s just leave it to the ref.
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Refs have always got things wrong, it's part of the game. Allegations of cheating are simply that, allegations. The same people that believe refs are bent will now have TWO refs to aim their usually idiotic thoughts at.

Now you've touched on something with abuse of officials by players. There are already rules to stop players doing it, they are just very rarely enforced (Wigan on Monday being a good example). I'd also add to them and stop players from surrounding refs, charging toward them or questioning his or the linesmans decisions (there's a captain for that).

Another sensible rule change would be - and i think you'll like this one- to allow reviews after the game for things the ref saw on the pitch and acted on. Hand out a few bans for diving and they#ll soon stop.

VAR will not stop the things you mention, in fact it will make some of them worse. I've already seen a player giving the ref the TV signal to try and get a decision overturned.

And in response your sarcy opening sentence, well actually yes, it's working extremely well. Just ask the clubs, TV, and millions of viewers around the world that have made the prem a global success.
 
Apparently if there is a VAR decision to made on Sunday the screens will inform people (Not a replay...yet), now this would be OK at Wembley, Etihad and various other places but old stadiums ie. Sold Trafford would have to devise some way of being able to show it to all fans... very interesting as I don't think the swamp in its current structure would be able to do this without restricting many fans with screens.
 
Bovril said:
Apparently if there is a VAR decision to made on Sunday the screens will inform people (Not a replay...yet), now this would be OK at Wembley, Etihad and various other places but old stadiums ie. Sold Trafford would have to devise some way of being able to show it to all fans... very interesting as I don't think the swamp in its current structure would be able to do this without restricting many fans with screens.
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In that case i won't bother going. I'll just sit at home and watch it on me own telly.
 
SWP's back said:
If we have three goals chalked off because they should be then that’s fine.

I just want the correct decisions and not wank refs ruining games for us.
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I agree,i just want a level playing field,this ref did overuse it when he had a go with it before,hope he doesn't decide to rely on his eyes too much instead
 
The biggest problem with VAR is the fact that the rules of the game are so imprecise where fouls are concerned. It's why you get so many experts disagreeing even when they see the same incident ten times, in slow motion, from five different angles. VAR is like an extremely precise ruler being used to measure a piece of wood, but no one knows how long it should be.

Imagine trying to program a computer to recognize a foul - as written now, you'd have no chance. The only way VAR will really work on most fouls is to figure out what the f*ck a foul is, and rewrite the laws to reflect this. Then when VAR shows exactly what happened, we'll all agree if it's a foul or not.

Btw, I still think it's worthwhile for fouls, even if it only clears up the 5% that are really obvious.
 
NorCalBlue said:
The biggest problem with VAR is the fact that the rules of the game are so imprecise where fouls are concerned. It's why you get so many experts disagreeing even when they see the same incident ten times, in slow motion, from five different angles. VAR is like an extremely precise ruler being used to measure a piece of wood, but no one knows how long it should be.

Imagine trying to program a computer to recognize a foul - as written now, you'd have no chance. The only way VAR will really work on most fouls is to figure out what the f*ck a foul is, and rewrite the laws to reflect this. Then when VAR shows exactly what happened, we'll all agree if it's a foul or not.

Btw, I still think it's worthwhile for fouls, even if it only clears up the 5% that are really obvious.
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Even if it only works for off side then that’s the main thing. That’s not subjective.
 
Fred_Quimby said:
VAR is rubbish just ask Wenger. 1st goal was a foul second goal offside both given. Rubbish.
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Wenger was ruing the missed Aubameyang chance and likened it to a Champs League final vs Barcelona
Aubameyang was offside and had he scored, it would have been referred to VAR and disallowed

As for Sergio's goal, we see this all the time in football but generally the other way round. It's normally the centre half that stands his ground against the peddling backwards centre forward

VK's goal was perfectly legal. Sane made no attempt to play the ball and he wasn't in the line of sight of the keeper, plus that rule has changed anyway
Ospina dived to where the ball was going from the original shot (so couldn't have been unsighted) before Kompany diverted it to the other side of the goal
 
There were a few on here a while back saying VAR wouldn't not be fairly implemented when it came to us, as an argument against it. I argued it would be much harder for Refs to continue to make some of the shocking decisions we've had all year, under the VAR review system. Yesterday for me was a pretty good example that they are wrong. VAR will never be perfect, but the refs will find it much harder to go against substantial video evidence. If they were set to use it against us, they could possibly have ruled out the first 2 goals yesterday, but they didn't. Correctly so.

Early days still, but yesterday hopefully put some minds at rest!
 
Bluearmy said:
There were a few on here a while back saying VAR wouldn't not be fairly implemented when it came to us, as an argument against it. I argued it would be much harder for Refs to continue to make some of the shocking decisions we've had all year, under the VAR review system. Yesterday for me was a pretty good example that they are wrong. VAR will never be perfect, but the refs will find it much harder to go against substantial video evidence. If they were set to use it against us, they could possibly have ruled out the first 2 goals yesterday, but they didn't. Correctly so.

Early days still, but yesterday hopefully put some minds at rest!
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It was an easy game for the referee/VAR. No real contentious decisions.
 
GAZZA said:
It was an easy game for the referee/VAR. No real contentious decisions.
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I agree, but the argument from some, was that it would be used unfairly against us. they could have disallowed the first two goals yesterday, if they were going to abuse VAR but didn't. It's much harder to abuse this system, than the current one!!
 
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