Media Thread 2017/18

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franksinatra said:
I think probably you and @gordondaviesmoustache have probably hit the nail on the head. Plus its also seems part of the psyche of the football fan that everyone is against their club.

In fairness I think we have had some justifiable reasons moan over the years, such as the BT coverage, Pete the badge etc. Now we seem to be moaning about trivial things and trying to make out its representative of all reporting, rather than just the consistent drivel of certain publications which afflicts most clubs.
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The media narrative has certainly turned in our favour this year thanks to the brilliance of our football. I agree with you that fans can sometimes become "obssessed" with the way their team is covered. That said I don't believe that if you ignore negative coverage it will go away and if there are inaccuracies and false narratives out there than it is important that they are challenged. People like Gary James and Ian Cheeseman do a fantastic job defending the reputation of out club and reputation is important for our commercial success.
 
The police figures given at old trafford were very specific (64,294, 64,996 and 66,847)...which is odd if they were guessing...someone's telling porkies.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Some people will simply always look for negatives, as they enjoy feeling indignant.
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I don't think it's that some of us continually look for things to be offended by, its the fact that we have been kicked for so long that you do question the ulterior motive of some articles. Having read the article again without the insight of alcohol, it is reasonably balanced, but the tone of the article and many others around this game still feels as if the hacks are very pro Liverpool.
I fully get the fact that we are the team to beat and it's great to be considered in that way, but putting City on a pedestal and looking for reasons why we either should not be there (usually money related) or revelling in who is going to beat us is not really praise. It will be interesting what the tone of the media is like if, or should I say when, we get to the Semis.
 
laserblue said:
I posted a few days ago that a Blue I know contacted the GMP a couple of years ago with a Freedom of Information request asking for updated police attendance figures for the rags. They replied that they don't keep separate figures and their figures agree with the club's. Neither he nor I believe this for a second but the GMP were embarrassed in 2013 when an FOI request from United fan group Reds Away resulted in full details of true OT attendances with 10,000-30,000 empty seats for games they claimed were full houses made public so I assume they're not prepared to give out similar information any more.

The question therefore is how did the Sun obtain these 'police figures' when the GMP no longer release this information because they deny it even exists? The only possible answer is that the Sun has made all this shit up.
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Can anyone apply for a FOI? Do you need to be in the UK to do it?
 
BlueAnorak said:
There is lots more to come. On the podcast, Mo Salah is elevated to God hood. Aparantly all Liverpool have to do is turn up.
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I listened to it and they have us as favourites and their European bod said the Italian teams were scared of us and not Liverpool should we go through.
 
Fat Chance said:
The police figures given at old trafford were very specific (64,294, 64,996 and 66,847)...which is odd if they were guessing...someone's telling porkies.
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For what it's worth I don't believe those figures for United either. The Rags are similar to us (whether they believe it or not). They get up to a few thousand no-shows mainly in the upper tiers. The police figures are estimates not tickets sold.
 
Kompany Car said:
I don't think it's that some of us continually look for things to be offended by, its the fact that we have been kicked for so long that you do question the ulterior motive of some articles.
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I think for many City fans that’s fair comment and understandable up to a point. Some of the snide articles we’ve been subject to in the last nine years or so simply wouldn’t have been printed if they were about united, Spurs or Liverpool (less so Arsenal, who get a relatively hard time in the press). However, I also think that a decent number of our supporters do look for things to be offended by, which they are always going to find given the nature of journalism in this country.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think for many City fans that’s fair comment and understandable up to a point. Some of the snide articles we’ve been subject to in the last nine years or so simply wouldn’t have been printed if they were about united, Spurs or Liverpool (less so Arsenal, who get a relatively hard time in the press). However, I also think that a decent number of our supporters do look for things to be offended by, which they are always going to find given the nature of journalism in this country.
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Agree with this. That's why we should pick our battles carefully. It's the lack of respect that gets under my skin. I drank with some great Everton fans in the pub on Saturday and we compared notes about Liverpool fans and Rags. The reason they despise Liverpool so much (and it has now become a very ugly fixture off the field) is that the Liverpool fans have treated them with contempt for decades.
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Agree with this. That's why we should pick our battles carefully. It's the lack of respect that gets under my skin. I drank with some great Everton fans in the pub on Saturday and we compared notes about Liverpool fans and Rags. The reason they despise Liverpool so much (and it has now become a very ugly fixture off the field) is that the Liverpool fans have treated them with contempt for decades.
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I had the misfortune about 5 years ago of having to spend an afternoon in Liverpool, waiting for a passport so ended up having a couple of beers in the City Centre. The red dippers were playing that evening in Europe and the place was packed with tourists and their souvenirs from the club shops. Everton fans we got talking to just hate the out of towners so much, they just talk so much shite. A girl decked in her dipper outfit came out with the following gem "how long is the interval at football?" I fucking pissed myself, no further questioning of the accused is required my Lord.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think for many City fans that’s fair comment and understandable up to a point. Some of the snide articles we’ve been subject to in the last nine years or so simply wouldn’t have been printed if they were about united, Spurs or Liverpool (less so Arsenal, who get a relatively hard time in the press). However, I also think that a decent number of our supporters do look for things to be offended by, which they are always going to find given the nature of journalism in this country.
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That has always been my argument over the years, although some have tried to twist it that I defend the standard of journalism and journalists.

Organisations like the Sun/Talksport will always write contentious garbage, clickbait material which often has little relevance with the truth, but its not unique to City. Just a dumbing down of standards across the board and sadly the target audience seem to lap it up.
 
franksinatra said:
Journalism is at its lowest ebb but you can see why they do it, for clicks, as even on a City website all the links being offered are negative articles about the club. Slagging city off is a cash cow on this forum.
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My issue is the justification of so many United stories online, take for example the Daily Mail online. The argument being that stories relating to them generate more clicks. Surely if you (Daily Mail) promote so many articles and promote them to the Headline then fans of all clubs will generally click.

So when does this become reporting the news, or generating the traffic for news to justify the reporting levels? If the Mail were to feature any other club in the same high profile way then after a short period of time I'm pretty sure the mantra would be "it's what people want to read according to the traffic analysis"

In short what I'm saying is the 'agenda' to keep Utd relevant, and City not isn't because of user traffic, in my opinion the media are the ones that drive the traffic to these stories.
 
auction294 said:
My issue is the justification of so many United stories online, take for example the Daily Mail online. The argument being that stories relating to them generate more clicks. Surely if you (Daily Mail) promote so many articles and promote them to the Headline then fans of all clubs will generally click.

So when does this become reporting the news, or generating the traffic for news to justify the reporting levels? If the Mail were to feature any other club in the same high profile way then after a short period of time I'm pretty sure the mantra would be "it's what people want to read according to the traffic analysis"

In short what I'm saying is the 'agenda' to keep Utd relevant, and City not isn't because of user traffic, in my opinion the media are the ones that drive the traffic to these stories.
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I get your point mate but it cannot be a coincidence that pretty much all outfits do it, clearly from their research they get more hits if they feature United.

Just to put it in another context do you think its fair we get more coverage than West Ham, Newcastle or Everton? Is that bias against those clubs? Or the press pushing us over them?

Sadly, and for some this is hard to take, united will always get more coverage than us until we become more popular than them. It is a business decision.
 
Saddleworth2 said:
Quite a turnaround at BT Sport, Keown and Rio were positively frothing with admiration for our display on Saturday. Rio was honest regarding his bias but it didn't stop him from being extremely complimentary about Manager and team. Changed days from some of the CL coverage they have given us in the past.
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Keown has been complimentary to us all season
 
hammocity said:
I had the misfortune about 5 years ago of having to spend an afternoon in Liverpool, waiting for a passport so ended up having a couple of beers in the City Centre. The red dippers were playing that evening in Europe and the place was packed with tourists and their souvenirs from the club shops. Everton fans we got talking to just hate the out of towners so much, they just talk so much shite. A girl decked in her dipper outfit came out with the following gem "how long is the interval at football?" I fucking pissed myself, no further questioning of the accused is required my Lord.
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Nothing wrong with that. My son who is a season ticket holder but only comes to keep me company and is more interested in artistic matters asked me years ago when he first came to a game "how long do they remain back stage".
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
Agree with this. That's why we should pick our battles carefully. It's the lack of respect that gets under my skin. I drank with some great Everton fans in the pub on Saturday and we compared notes about Liverpool fans and Rags. The reason they despise Liverpool so much (and it has now become a very ugly fixture off the field) is that the Liverpool fans have treated them with contempt for decades.
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I too had a couple of pints with some great Evertonians on Saturday and was quite surprised by (but in full agreement with) the extent of their loathing for their red neighbours. It appears that, if it ever existed, 'The Friendly Derby' has long since had its day, they despise them with the same level of vitriol we have for the rags who, incidentally, aren't looked upon with that much less contempt by Everton fans.
 
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Anyone reckons Daily Mail will do a report on Liverpool players arriving at their training ground in their expensively cars?
Or did the reporter had to do a special on City after the interviews with just various former Liverpool players and their “objective” look at the upcoming CL game at Anfield.

Not trying to suggest there is some kind of agenda. Or looking for things that aren’t there. Simply wondering ...
 
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