Blue Til Death
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The only thing that poisenous toad is effective at is being a grade A ****...!
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Neville Kneville
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His selections were a bit ridiculous. The problem with trying to fit our players into those teams though is teams have to be about a successful blend and just because one player might be better than another, doesn't make them a better fit in another team; especially when you go across the ages.
Despite their shot stopping credentials, none of the other keepers are to my recollection sufficiently good ball players to get into this City side. Of course they didn't do the who would get into this City side bit. Taking a very quick stab at that: Henry would displace Raz; Ashley Cole would get in ahead of Delph; I hate to say it but John Terry would grab a spot alongside Vinnie and Keane or Paddy would probably edge out Dinho. So that's four players I think you could sensibly change and be an even better Pep team. Most importantly though, for me, a Pep team beats all the others.
They would just do the same shit of taking players who were successful in a totally different era, playing a completely different style of football, against opposition who were also playing a completely different style of football, & automatically assume they could do it better than the current City team.
They take 'brains' out of the equation.
If they could play like City do, England would have won or almost won the World Cup, with Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Lampard, Owen, Ashley young, Ferdinand etc.
Yet most of the time they struggled to string 3 passes together & if they came up against a team who played even half the quality of this current City one, looked like clowns, mainly because the Gerrard's & Beckhams etc were incapable of playing quick pass & move football, & prefer hitting 40 yard passes over people's heads.
The one who could do it, Scholes, couldn't get in the team because the rest had no idea how to play with him.
I recently saw one of those Sky wankfests over Utd's sides from that era & it's like watching 60s football compared to City & indeed the Premier League now. Some great individual skills etc but the team play by them & their opponents is prehistoric.
Man_City_Loyal
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"No fans at the Etihad"
Probably because most fans were celebrating at home or down the pub...
Oh i know, or like me sat at home being sensible.
YaYa's Left Peg
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How come every two-bit hack knows that Pep's sole remit when he was appointed was to win the Champions League? How do they know that our owners only obsession in life is to win that trophy, because I've never heard that coming out of the club. Ferguson's CL record is actually pretty average considering the money he spent and the players he had access to, the two times they did win it, they were battered in the final and enjoyed a huge slice of luck.
It’s almost as if they’re trying to downplay our achievement!
It’s almost as if they’re trying to downplay our achievement!
Not winning the UCL is the stick they will use to say we are not as good as the Rags and Candlepool were in their prime. Hope it drives the club on to win it in the next few years. We need to drive on now and make our team formidable on the European stage.
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It's called shifting the goalposts.How come every two-bit hack knows that Pep's sole remit when he was appointed was to win the Champions League? How do they know that our owners only obsession in life is to win that trophy, because I've never heard that coming out of the club.
It's called shifting the goalposts.
That'll be the next thing to confront us with, sliding goalposts .... mind you Sterling might find that beneficial!!
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Not winning the UCL is the stick they will use to say we are not as good as the Rags and Candlepool were in their prime. Hope it drives the club on to win it in the next few years. We need to drive on now and make our team formidable on the European stage.
You are right off course, and they will forever find an angle to denigrate our achievements in relation to the aforementioned establishments - win the CL, yeah come back to us when you won five (or six) etc.
Personally I have no doubts at all in my mind that we will win the CL and League double, and we will do it in a style that only the great Barca team of Pep’s can claim to have bettered. He who laughs last as they say...
OB1
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They would just do the same shit of taking players who were successful in a totally different era, playing a completely different style of football, against opposition who were also playing a completely different style of football, & automatically assume they could do it better than the current City team.
They take 'brains' out of the equation.
If they could play like City do, England would have won or almost won the World Cup, with Gerrard, Beckham, Scholes, Lampard, Owen, Ashley young, Ferdinand etc.
Yet most of the time they struggled to string 3 passes together & if they came up against a team who played even half the quality of this current City one, looked like clowns, mainly because the Gerrard's & Beckhams etc were incapable of playing quick pass & move football, & prefer hitting 40 yard passes over people's heads.
The one who could do it, Scholes, couldn't get in the team because the rest had no idea how to play with him.
I recently saw one of those Sky wankfests over Utd's sides from that era & it's like watching 60s football compared to City & indeed the Premier League now. Some great individual skills etc but the team play by them & their opponents is prehistoric.
And the much vaunted Scholes wouldn't get in our team because, good as he was, he couldn't play the roles that KDB and Silva player better than them; I also don't think he is as gifted as either of those two players.
It is hard comparing across the years and it's easy to forget what the game was exactly like at particular points. I rarely watch old stuff on Sky etc but I have recently read a couple of books looking at the history of tactics and that certainly helped me to further appreciate how unsophisticated "English" football has tended to be and the level that Pep has taken things to.
We are truly privileged to be supporting this City team and whether people outside of the club and its fans appreciate that is ultimately irrelevant but gives us something else to talk about.
Neville Kneville
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And the much vaunted Scholes wouldn't get in our team because, good as he was, he couldn't play the roles that KDB and Silva player better than them; I also don't think he is as gifted as either of those two players.
It is hard comparing across the years and it's easy to forget what the game was exactly like at particular points. I rarely watch old stuff on Sky etc but I have recently read a couple of books looking at the history of tactics and that certainly helped me to further appreciate how unsophisticated "English" football has tended to be and the level that Pep has taken things to.
We are truly privileged to be supporting this City team and whether people outside of the club and its fans appreciate that is ultimately irrelevant but gives us something else to talk about.
I agree, Scholes great footballer but they are better & he would be pedestrian in our team & get mugged, as Mancini did to him.
Ryan Giggs would come to terms with it, but we have him already in Sane, who is far above Giggs (or Ronaldo) as a team player at the same age.
OB1
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I agree, Scholes great footballer but they are better & he would be pedestrian in our team & get mugged, as Mancini did to him.
Ryan Giggs would come to terms with it, but we have him already in Sane, who is far above Giggs (or Ronaldo) as a team player at the same age.
I'm on record as describing Giggs as a poor man's Sane. That may be a bit harsh and Sane still has it all to prove; whereas Giggs does undeniably have a long and glorious playing career behind him. Sane though is though, to my mind, a more naturally gifted player, a better athlete and more intelligent. Sane has to demonstrate he has the commitment, drive and mental strength to make the most of those gifts; if he does, the better comparison will be Ronaldo rather than Giggs.
Not winning the UCL is the stick they will use to say we are not as good as the Rags and Candlepool were in their prime. Hope it drives the club on to win it in the next few years. We need to drive on now and make our team formidable on the European stage.
You are forgetting the biggest obstacle we have to overcome in that competition, the officials. Four decisions in the quarter final wrongly given against us that would have added three goals to our tally at least and wiped one off the dippers.
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Me neither, plus last season Chelsea won £150m from winning the Premier League (prize money and tv deal).How come every two-bit hack knows that Pep's sole remit when he was appointed was to win the Champions League? How do they know that our owners only obsession in life is to win that trophy, because I've never heard that coming out of the club. Ferguson's CL record is actually pretty average considering the money he spent and the players he had access to, the two times they did win it, they were battered in the final and enjoyed a huge slice of luck.
To go through all the group phases and knock-out rounds to eventually win the CL you only pocket between £85-110m in prize money and tv deal (depending on your country’s tv rights, for example, last season Juve earnt more than Madrid despite Madrid winning the comp).
So you could argue that the club would think winning the Premier League is always the most important.
jimharri
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"Giggsy"™ could be the family liaison executive.I agree, Scholes great footballer but they are better & he would be pedestrian in our team & get mugged, as Mancini did to him.
Ryan Giggs would come to terms with it, but we have him already in Sane, who is far above Giggs (or Ronaldo) as a team player at the same age.
tolmie's hairdoo
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That'll be the next thing to confront us with, sliding goalposts .... mind you Sterling might find that beneficial!!
No, that was last night when rat boy stated, in all seriousness, that Jose will have won the war based on him winning the Premier League next year.
Oh, and if they win the FA Cup this season he will have come out on top with one more trophy than Pep during their managerial careers.
Funnily enough, nobody seemed to reference the graphic that one had been in management for 10 years longer and was ten years older.
Goalposts will always be shifted.
No, that was last night when rat boy stated, in all seriousness, that Jose will have won the war based on him winning the Premier League next year.
Oh, and if they win the FA Cup this season he will have come out on top with one more trophy than Pep during their managerial careers.
Funnily enough, nobody seemed to reference the graphic that one had been in management for 10 years longer and was ten years older.
Goalposts will always be shifted.
Someone pointed out in another thread that Pep has won over 2x as many trophies as Mourinho since starting in management.
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No, that was last night when rat boy stated, in all seriousness, that Jose will have won the war based on him winning the Premier League next year.
Oh, and if they win the FA Cup this season he will have come out on top with one more trophy than Pep during their managerial careers.
Funnily enough, nobody seemed to reference the graphic that one had been in management for 10 years longer and was ten years older.
Goalposts will always be shifted.
Oh yeah, rat boy was in full damage limitation mode, "qualifying" our achievement and putting it in the "proper" historical context.
Dyche for manager of the year is picking up steam as well, little by little they're whittling away at what we've done this season. They'll be popping champagne corks if we stumble over the next five games.
Mr Ed (The Stables)
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On Match of the day 2 Keown was saying if Burnley finish above Arsenal then Dyche is nailed on to be manager of the year. I've been told by a mate (so hopefully this is correct) that the Manager of the season has been the manager of the team that has won the league (since the formation of the Premier League) except on two occasions 1st Man City winning it in 2011-12 (I think Curbishly won it that season) and when we won it again under Pelligrini. Unbelievable Jeff!!!
On Match of the day 2 Keown was saying if Burnley finish above Arsenal then Dyche is nailed on to be manager of the year. I've been told by a mate (so hopefully this is correct) that the Manager of the season has been the manager of the team that has won the league (since the formation of the Premier League) except on two occasions 1st Man City winning it in 2011-12 (I think Curbishly won it that season) and when we won it again under Pelligrini. Unbelievable Jeff!!!
Not correct, unfortunately – doing a quick check, George Burley won it with Ipswich in 2000-01 and Harry Redknapp won it in 2009-10 with Spurs and then there's Pardew and Pulis.
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