west didsblue
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All your points, which are identical to Russian propaganda reports, have been addressed earlier in the thread.
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All your points, which are identical to Russian propaganda reports, have been addressed earlier in the thread.
Oh how convenient for you. Except that none were addressed...
I've no idea why his post was labelled Anti semetic. I don't agree with most he says but he never abuses anyone and puts his case forward.
It follows a concerted and largely successful effort by the state of Israel to conflate criticism of Israel with Anti-Semitism. Recent media coverage and debate in the House of Commons is a demonstrable success of their campaign. There have been books written on this subject by academics.
purplenose
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If Russia and Syria had wished to prove their claims they would have had impartial inspectors in the place within hours.
Donald Trump, May, and Macron may be a triumvirate of cunts but that doesnt alter the fact Assad deliberately carried out this attack, and the Russians whilst most likely did not know it was happening have in their allegiance and behaviour since these attacks become complicit in the use of these weapons.
The bombing was fully justified and should have been far more extensive and not the stage managed gesture more designed to not upset the Russians unduly.
Donald Trump, May, and Macron may be a triumvirate of cunts but that doesnt alter the fact Assad deliberately carried out this attack, and the Russians whilst most likely did not know it was happening have in their allegiance and behaviour since these attacks become complicit in the use of these weapons.
The bombing was fully justified and should have been far more extensive and not the stage managed gesture more designed to not upset the Russians unduly.
andyhinch
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Read your last sentence back to yourself, it's laughable.It follows a concerted and largely successful effort by the state of Israel to conflate criticism of Israel with Anti-Semitism. Recent media coverage and debate in the House of Commons is a demonstrable success of their campaign. There have been books written on this subject by academics.
Read your last sentence back to yourself, it's laughable.
I'm concerned as to what you would find humorous about that? The fact that there have been books written or the fact that they have been written to academic standards, including the provision of evidence to justify all claims and including a full peer-review?
andyhinch
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Better qualified and more knowledgeable academics have written books that refute it all, that statement is just as laughable, if you don't understand that there's no helping you, good bye.I'm concerned as to what you would find humorous about that? The fact that there have been books written or the fact that they have been written to academic standards, including the provision of evidence to justify all claims and including a full peer-review?
west didsblue
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Go on then, name one of these books.I'm concerned as to what you would find humorous about that? The fact that there have been books written or the fact that they have been written to academic standards, including the provision of evidence to justify all claims and including a full peer-review?
goater555
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All your points, which are identical to Russian propaganda reports, have been addressed earlier in the thread.
This anti-Russia that Americans have been warped with is now creeping into English brains ^^
andyhinch
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PS laughable isn't the same as humorous btw, academics wrote the bible you'll be telling me you think that's true next.I'm concerned as to what you would find humorous about that? The fact that there have been books written or the fact that they have been written to academic standards, including the provision of evidence to justify all claims and including a full peer-review?
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There was no criticism of Israel in his post though was there.It follows a concerted and largely successful effort by the state of Israel to conflate criticism of Israel with Anti-Semitism. Recent media coverage and debate in the House of Commons is a demonstrable success of their campaign. There have been books written on this subject by academics.
What he instead suggested was that the “Israel Lobby runs the press”. If you can’t see that’s code for “Jews” then that’s on you.
This anti-Russia that Americans have been warped with is now creeping into English brains ^^
Can't imagine why.
Well there WAS this one thing a few weeks back but maybe everybody's forgotten about it
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And on the subject of the BBC, I ask simply the following: Does an organisation belonging to a free and impartial press agree to provide the signal to commence an MI6/CIA orchestrated coup against a democratically elected president?
Where have you been for the last 7 years? I am guessing it was all hunky dorey until we got involved by firing a few missiles at a chemical weapons plant eh?
The Russian state backs Assad and regardless of what you may think they are both participating in a bombing campaign which is killing civilians indiscriminately to ensure Assad retains and maintains power.
Assad has already been PROVEN to of broken international law by using chemical weapons against his own people in previous attacks which were investigated by UN-OPCW led groups. Those groups are the kind Russia used its UN veto to ABOLISH, anyway yes it was all our doing....
You know what, whether there is evidence of chemical weapons use or not, it is actually irrelevant. You can say we are responsible for some plot but then is it the big issue of the day? Syrians probably don't really care who drops the bomb that kills them but the fact is 100% of those bombs have been Russian and/or Assad.
So in that spirit let's forget all this, lets not get involved and leave them to it. Let thousands upon thousands more die at the hand of Assad and Putin and we can just rest easy in our beds. Seriously it would be far easier and it means British troops aren't out risking their lives.
Was that during the crusades or after it?
The Middle East didn't exist as a concept or as a blog of nations during the Crusades. I'm going to hazard a total shot in the dark guess and guess that you're probably not that well up on the Crusades either and point to it as a completely wrong example of Western aggression. Grab a book Kiam.
We the British invented it after the fall of the Ottomans.
This is also why when Palestine makes a historical claim on lands based on former nationhood, it's also bollocks.
Where have you been for the last 7 years? I am guessing it was all hunky dorey until we got involved by firing a few missiles at a chemical weapons plant eh?
The Russian state backs Assad and regardless of what you may think they are both participating in a bombing campaign which is killing civilians indiscriminately to ensure Assad retains and maintains power.
Assad has already been PROVEN to of broken international law by using chemical weapons against his own people in previous attacks which were investigated by UN-OPCW led groups. Those groups are the kind Russia used its UN veto to ABOLISH, anyway yes it was all our doing....
You know what, whether there is evidence of chemical weapons use or not, it is actually irrelevant. You can say we are responsible for some plot but then is it the big issue of the day? Syrians probably don't really care who drops the bomb that kills them but the fact is 100% of those bombs have been Russian and/or Assad.
So in that spirit let's forget all this, lets not get involved and leave them to it. Let thousands upon thousands more die at the hand of Assad and Putin and we can just rest easy in our beds. Seriously it would be far easier and it means British troops aren't out risking their lives.
You do make some valid points, which are undeniable, and I will again state that I do not deny the fact that the Syrian and Russian governments are both culpable in the deaths of thousands of civilians. However, it is important to consider the context in which this occurs, which is a war for the existence of the Syrian state against savages supported by very powerful western countries along with Saudi Arabia and its various puppet states.
I have previously said that the UN is a failed organisation. The very idea that there exists permanent members of the UNSC that can veto any resolutions that displease them is farcical. You point to the fact that Russia has used its veto, but ignore the fact that the US has used its veto power more than any other state. You point to the fact that the Syrian and Russian governments have killed thousands, but ignore the fact that the US and UK have killed millions over the past decade. You also ignore the fact that the US virtually flattened Raqqa, paying no more care to avoid civilian casualties than the Russians or Syrians.
the US and UK have killed millions over the past decade
Not even close.
Like most of your points
Not even close.
Like most of your points
Perhaps I should have said "are responsible for the deaths of millions". Do you contend this? Even if you disagree with the figures, you cannot possibly contend the fact that the US and UK are responsible for the deaths of far more people across the Middle East than Russia or Syria.
Perhaps I should have said "are responsible for the deaths of millions". Do you contend this? Even if you disagree with the figures, you cannot possibly contend the fact that the US and UK are responsible for the deaths of far more people across the Middle East than Russia or Syria.
I'll check my Middle Eastern deaths league table.
This is also why when Palestine makes a historical claim on lands based on former nationhood, it's also bollocks.
And now you have shown your true colours.
We the British invented it after the fall of the Ottomans.
I would also like to point out that the British didn't "invent" the Middle East. The Sykes-Picot Agreement created the modern states and their borders that exist today, drawing arbitrary lines that divided culturally and ethnically identical peoples, which has formented a faux-nationalism and is responsible for much of the problems in the Middle East today. The House of Saud, for example, rule Saudi Arabia to this date since the country was gifted to them. They even named the country after their family.