FantasyIreland
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Thats exactly the reply he was looking for.
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Referees/Officials 2017/18 performances
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Thats exactly the reply he was looking for.
Chris in London
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Definitely.
Of the missed challenges involving City, I have the impression most were away form home (Cardiff, WBA, Newcastle, Palace). The Young/Aguero assault was obviously at home but were many others?
Away, the Kompany early foul vs Leicester went in our favour, and we didn't get one from Ake at Bournemouth.
I don’t know what you mean by missed challenges. Kane and Alli should both have been given straight reds at our place. Neither was missed because both got yellows but the decision was wrong. Most of the straight reds that should have been shown were correctly given as fouls, even if red cards should have been given. Probably more were away than at home and I don’t recall many horrors at home beyond the two spurs and young/aguero but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more than those three at home where a red should have been shown but wasn’t.
CheadleBlue
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I don’t know what you mean by missed challenges. Kane and Alli should both have been given straight reds at our place. Neither was missed because both got yellows but the decision was wrong. Most of the straight reds that should have been shown were correctly given as fouls, even if red cards should have been given. Probably more were away than at home and I don’t recall many horrors at home beyond the two spurs and young/aguero but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more than those three at home where a red should have been shown but wasn’t.
I remember the thigh high tackle on Brahim Diaz as a spectacularly bad one just after the lad had come on. Can't remember the game but it got only a yellow.
West Brom, it was Matt Phillips. McClean should have seen red in that game too for trying to cripple De Bruyne.I remember the thigh high tackle on Brahim Diaz as a spectacularly bad one just after the lad had come on. Can't remember the game but it got only a yellow.
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No but he reffed the match excellently.
Wow that's a pretty low standard of measurement you must be using if you thought that was excellent.
MillionMilesAway
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I don’t know what you mean by missed challenges. Kane and Alli should both have been given straight reds at our place. Neither was missed because both got yellows but the decision was wrong. Most of the straight reds that should have been shown were correctly given as fouls, even if red cards should have been given. Probably more were away than at home and I don’t recall many horrors at home beyond the two spurs and young/aguero but I wouldn’t be surprised if there were more than those three at home where a red should have been shown but wasn’t.
By 'missed' I had meant those which didn't result in the red card they should have.
As I said, it was an impression I had. Doesn't mean the impression was right.
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By 'missed' I had meant those which didn't result in the red card they should have.
As I said, it was an impression I had. Doesn't mean the impression was right.
Not saying you are wrong, probably the majority were away
Either way we’ve been fucked over on a pretty regular basis ever since the Mane red card
I remember the thigh high tackle on Brahim Diaz as a spectacularly bad one just after the lad had come on. Can't remember the game but it got only a yellow.
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PannickAtTheDisco
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and Bennett's assault on him at Cardiff, which although he got sent off, was also only a yellow because he'd somehow got away with just a yellow for the Sane one.
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To give the handball through VAR would have been improper use of VAR, despite the fact that it most likely was a penalty. So the ref got that one right, perversely.
Completely disagree.
Why because we will see similar instances where the ref like yesterday goes to his mike and VAR and a penalty, rightly so is awarded because as you say, it was most likely a penalty, one he missed in real time.
It was a clear handball and a stonewall penalty and despite VAR, Young and utd (surprise surprise) got away with it.
The only way VAR will work is for it to be screened in the grounds so that matchday fans can see what is being looked at and the officials communications broadcast as well.
No hiding place then for them.
Completely disagree.
Why because we will see similar instances where the ref like yesterday goes to his mike and VAR and a penalty, rightly so is awarded because as you say, it was most likely a penalty, one he missed in real time.
It was a clear handball and a stonewall penalty and despite VAR, Young and utd (surprise surprise) got away with it.
The only way VAR will work is for it to be screened in the grounds so that matchday fans can see what is being looked at and the officials communications broadcast as well.
No hiding place then for them.
To many variables in that hand ball like the var referee might of thought he tried to kick the ball on his hand plus it was very close, it’s was a tough call but if it was at the other end would it of been the same decision? Not sure.
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To many variables in that hand ball like the var referee might of thought he tried to kick the ball on his hand plus it was very close, it’s was a tough call but if it was at the other end would it of been the same decision? Not sure.
Young clearly moves his hand towards the ball and immediately looks back to the ref because he knows what he has done mate.
It was a stonewall penalty but it makes the game 2-0 in all probability and as far as game management goes, probably not the best call for the ref to make yesterday what with sponsors and tv companies pulling the shots.
Had it been the other end and a chance for 1-1..........given and or changed by VAR all day long.
I don't agree it was stonewall. I don't think I'm alone. The referee might not have thought it wasn't so blatant as call it a clear and obvious error. As waspish says there were enough variables to argue it might not have been a deliberate handball, even if it was.Completely disagree.
Why because we will see similar instances where the ref like yesterday goes to his mike and VAR and a penalty, rightly so is awarded because as you say, it was most likely a penalty, one he missed in real time.
It was a clear handball and a stonewall penalty and despite VAR, Young and utd (surprise surprise) got away with it.
The only way VAR will work is for it to be screened in the grounds so that matchday fans can see what is being looked at and the officials communications broadcast as well.
No hiding place then for them.
Also to save time for both of us, I don't think you can persuade me that it was a stonewall penalty. And I don't think I can persuade you the reverse.
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I don't agree it was stonewall. I don't think I'm alone. The referee might not have thought it wasn't so blatant as call it a clear and obvious error. As waspish says there were enough variables to argue it might not have been a deliberate handball, even if it was.
When you see some of the handballs given by PL refs compared to what we saw yesterday and what he saw yet again via VAR them i'm gobsmacked, if not surprised (see my post above) it wasn't given.
I'm with you if you're saying the lack of consistency makes the whole process far uglier than it needs to be, 100%. That's absolutely a problem now and going forward if unaddressed.When you see some of the handballs given by PL refs compared to what we saw yesterday and what he saw yet again via VAR them i'm gobsmacked, if not surprised (see my post above) it wasn't given.
But as an isolated incident you know how I feel.
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I'm with you if you're saying the lack of consistency makes the whole process far uglier than it needs to be, 100%. That's absolutely a problem now and going forward if unaddressed.
But as an isolated incident you know how I feel.
Fans will accept it isnt and never can be 100% but for it to be seen working and fair then absolute transparency is going to be needed and as i say, all video reviewed by the VAR have to also be seen by the crowd and tv audience if on and all communications heard similar.
Without it we might as well ditch it now.
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"Handball" has been so muddied by the media. But that for me was deliberate handball. Young made sure there was no way the ball was getting passed him
and even moved his hand to the ball, to make sure. The true definition of "Handball".
and even moved his hand to the ball, to make sure. The true definition of "Handball".
PannickAtTheDisco
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When you see some of the handballs given by PL refs compared to what we saw yesterday and what he saw yet again via VAR them i'm gobsmacked, if not surprised (see my post above) it wasn't given.
watch the penalty Oliver gave to the rags against Leicester for Simpson's handball early in the season, and compare it to Young's, and then try and come up with an explanation as to why he's given the top gig when he's such an "inconsistent" ref.
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Completely disagree.
Why because we will see similar instances where the ref like yesterday goes to his mike and VAR and a penalty, rightly so is awarded because as you say, it was most likely a penalty, one he missed in real time.
It was a clear handball and a stonewall penalty and despite VAR, Young and utd (surprise surprise) got away with it.
The only way VAR will work is for it to be screened in the grounds so that matchday fans can see what is being looked at and the officials communications broadcast as well.
No hiding place then for them.
One of the reasons I think it has been stonewalled is that it removes another hiding place for officials to explain away incorrect decisions. And the game has turned for more than a century on doing just that, whether it was another 'honest' mistake or a deliberate attempt to subvert a result.
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