Eden Hazard

Thaksinssoldier said:
Ask any Chelsea fan who they'd rather have had this year and they'd say Zaha or Mahrez.

He did literally f**k all this season in an attempt to undermine Conte. Did the same with Mourinho.

You get to do that once, but twice shows you are the problem and not the coaches.

I don't believe the man who got rid of Ibrahimovic would want this character near our dressing room, talented or not.
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Isn't he their top scorer?

52 games, 17 goals, 13 assists. If that's him downing tools I can't wait to see what he's like when he picks them up again.

There's so much in this thread about his "attitude" when he played about 4 amazing seasons in a row. Had a bad one under Mourinho after Jose basically made him the scapegoat in public humiliating one of the most popular people at the club. At this point there's more wrong with you if you can actually stand to play for Mourinho.

I mean it's not like Mancini and pellegrini left on a wave of player support is it.

If you can buy a top 10 player in the world (on top form) - you do. That's how you elevate this team to the Barca, Bayern, Real level.

Not by buying Willy Zaha so no one has to try too hard to keep him out of the team.
 
NQCitizen said:
Isn't he their top scorer?

52 games, 17 goals, 13 assists. If that's him downing tools I can't wait to see what he's like when he picks them up again.

There's so much in this thread about his "attitude" when he played about 4 amazing seasons in a row. Had a bad one under Mourinho after Jose basically made him the scapegoat in public humiliating one of the most popular people at the club. At this point there's more wrong with you if you can actually stand to play for Mourinho.

I mean it's not like Mancini and pellegrini left on a wave of player support is it.

If you can buy a top 10 player in the world (on top form) - you do. That's how you elevate this team to the Barca, Bayern, Real level.

Not by buying Willy Zaha so no one has to try too hard to keep him out of the team.
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Well said.
 
ak93city said:
Only on a CIty forum would people debate if signing Hazard is good or bad. Incredible really.

Just imagining how pathetically idiotic one would sound if a fan of Real Madrid, Barcelona etc. posted something like "Yeah but Mahrez/Bailey/Zaha/<insert good/decent footballer> is a better option than Eden Hazard/<insert pretty fucking good footballer>."

Wonder when we'll grow out of the little city mentality and recognize the stature of our club. If Pep fucking Guardiola wants Mr. Hazard, then we do our best to get him.

And before any genius comes up and posts "Yeah but look at United buying stars didn't help them did it," don't forget to consider what our manager (or any other manager who isn't a dinosaur like Mourinho) could have done with the talent at United. This is even before considering how the biggest clubs like Madrid and Barcelona etc. continually buy world class players every summer and have been doing for decades to reach the level which we currently aspire to reach someday.

Again, if Pep wants him that means he's done more than enough of his due diligence on Hazard (including his nonexistent egomaniacal nature). Not like Mr. Pep hasn't managed the biggest names in this sport for, well, the whole of his career to put up with yet another egocentric jerk, if Hazard even is one.
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And if Pep doesn't want him, he is clearly an idiot.
 
IMO you have to ask yourself a few questions

1) Is he Chelsea's main player - for me YES
2) Would it weaken Chelsea, one of our rivals -YES
3) Would he improve our first team - YES
4) Would he improve our squad -YES
5) Management of the player down to Pep -YES
6) Do I care about how much he will cost - NO
7) Will Chelsea sell to us - NO - if YES it becomes a no brainer in my view.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Because it would go against what we've done to date since Carlos Tevez was signed.

We're not signing names, we're signing components.

History tells us Pep doesn't suffer prima donnas, there's no way he takes on a player who has undermined 2 coaches in a row now via poor performances.
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Well then we simply disagree; although chances are we won't sign Hazard and therefore my opinion will appear wrong regardless of whether it is or not. I'm convinced City would spend £100m plus on a player if they felt the fee represented a fair price. What is very obvious is that City know what the maximum they will pay for a player is and will walk away if a deal gets too rich; especially it seems if agents or selling teams get greedy.

City have tried a number of times to sign big names but not succeeded and I think they will keep trying but only for players that they think will improve the team.

If Pep thinks Hazard's attitude is suspect, he won't want him but I happen to think he does want him; if he doesn't and would rather have Mahrez, so be it. Hazard tops my wanted list but Mahrez is very high on that list.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
Ask any Chelsea fan who they'd rather have had this year and they'd say Zaha or Mahrez.

He did literally f**k all this season in an attempt to undermine Conte. Did the same with Mourinho.

You get to do that once, but twice shows you are the problem and not the coaches.

I don't believe the man who got rid of Ibrahimovic would want this character near our dressing room, talented or not.
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He didn't do eff all this season: as I keep mentioning he is ranked fourth in this seasons whoscored rankings, the only players ahead of him are Aguero, KDB and Salah. Those rankings are not perfect but they do take account of every touch of the ball a player has in the league. You simply do not come out in that sort of position in those rankings by doing as little as you suggest.
 
OB1 said:
Well then we simply disagree; although chances are we won't sign Hazard and therefore my opinion will appear wrong regardless of whether it is or not. I'm convinced City would spend £100m plus on a player if they felt the fee represented a fair price.
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Pep may well want him, but I don't think the price is the issue here its the wages, and he will want to be the highest paid player, he'll also know what the likes of Sanchez gets and expect similar. I can't see us paying anywhere near that, without having a queue form outside Sorriano's office, and that would be a mistake that would tear a hole in the way we currently operate, and I hope that we stick with that policy.
 
OB1 said:
He didn't do eff all this season: as I keep mentioning he is ranked fourth in this seasons whoscored rankings, the only players ahead of him are Aguero, KDB and Salah. Those rankings are not perfect but they do take account of every touch of the ball a player has in the league. You simply do not come out in that sort of position in those rankings by doing as little as you suggest.
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By his standards, he didn't do enough.

Besides, if you really want to use stats and money to dictate the player we are buying, just throw 150 mil at the dippers for Salah. If nothing else it unsettles the hell out of Liverpool and shows Chelsea/Leicester and Palace that if they want our cash if we come knocking, they aren't priority number one.
 
cleavers said:
Pep may well want him, but I don't think the price is the issue here its the wages, and he will want to be the highest paid player, he'll also know what the likes of Sanchez gets and expect similar. I can't see us paying anywhere near that, without having a queue form outside Sorriano's office, and that would be a mistake that would tear a hole in the way we currently operate, and I hope that we stick with that policy.
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We have no idea if wages would be an issue but City will know before bidding whether he has signaled that he prepared to accept a piffling little contract along the lines of KDB's.

If Hazard is at all sensible, he'll be well enough off to retire tomorrow. If he signs for City, it's likely to be on a five year contract with an OTE north of £250k per week. If that is not enough for him then he really doesn't want to join us for football reasons and he is not the right guy.

He can't expect Sanchez money because Sanchez's transfer fee was way below market rate due to his contract situation. Chelsea would extract a very full fee from any Hazard sale.
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
By his standards, he didn't do enough.

Besides, if you really want to use stats and money to dictate the player we are buying, just throw 150 mil at the dippers for Salah. If nothing else it unsettles the hell out of Liverpool and shows Chelsea/Leicester and Palace that if they want our cash if we come knocking, they aren't priority number one.
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No one is using stats to dictate who to buy, they just demonstrate that you were unequivocally wrong in your opinion and are now trying to shift the goals posts.
 
OB1 said:
No one is using stats to dictate who to buy, they just demonstrate that you were unequivocally wrong in your opinion and are now trying to shift the goals posts.
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I don't think I'm wrong about anything on him mate, he's underperformed by his standard, that's a fact.

He's fallen out with 2 coaches now, that's a fact.(I haven't even mentioned the national team where he fell out with Wilmots and will no doubt do same with Martinez).

Talent, undoubtedly world class. Attitude, stinks.

Can't see Pep touching him, even if he wasn't going to cost 150 mil plus 300K per week.

We need to stop looking at it like we are. If a player gets to join this team and this coach, it's a privilege for them and they need to be humble coming in. You think that sounds like Hazard?
 
Thaksinssoldier said:
I don't think I'm wrong about anything on him mate, he's underperformed by his standard, that's a fact.

He's fallen out with 2 coaches now, that's a fact.(I haven't even mentioned the national team where he fell out with Wilmots and will no doubt do same with Martinez).

Talent, undoubtedly world class. Attitude, stinks.

Can't see Pep touching him, even if he wasn't going to cost 150 mil plus 300K per week.

We need to stop looking at it like we are. If a player gets to join this team and this coach, it's a privilege for them and they need to be humble coming in. You think that sounds like Hazard?
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I'm sure you don't think you are wrong, even in the face of clear objective factual evidence.

You added the underperformed by his standards but that is different to he has done eff all! Now it is true that compared to last season his stats are not as good: after all, he's only ranked as the fourth best player in the league for the season with a 7.69 rating; whereas last season he was ranked first with 7.81 and he only has 12 goals and 4 assists in the league compared to last season's 16 / 5. So, yeah, his contribution has really fallen off a cliff.

Maybe he has fallen out with two coaches but you think it's just him at Chelsea? He clearly doesn't like how Chelsea are playing, he has plenty of team mates whose form has dipped but he has still been their best player and some would suggest he has carried that team in difficult circumstances with a manager in place who has wanted out from the start of the season. I'd be picking a different season to try and suggest his attitude stinks.
 
OB1 said:
Maybe he has fallen out with two coaches but you think it's just him at Chelsea? He clearly doesn't like how Chelsea are playing, he has plenty of team mates whose form has dipped but he has still been their best player and some would suggest he has carried that team in difficult circumstances with a manager in place who has wanted out from the start of the season. I'd be picking a different season to try and suggest his attitude stinks.
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It's not just him at Chelsea, but c'mon man. You buy a 100 mil plus player, he had better be doubt free. Hazard is not. He's clearly talented, I've never disputed that. But he's all about himself and isn't a team leader. The best comparison I can offer is he's a higher quality Nasri(in terms of his attitude and how it affects performance at times)

Let's not forget him and his dad/agent completely shafted us by agreeing a deal and then shifting the goalposts.

I get why lots would salivate at the prospect of having him in the team, but it's a no from me.
 
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