PSG set to fail FFP again?

What bugs me most is that revenue from fans and investments in improving fans' experience are not excluded from the FFP calculations. If a benefactor can afford to allow fans in for a fiver each as an example they should be allowed to without it impacting what they can spend on player transfers.
 
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PSG were original members of the G14.

A factor which was behind the original decision to set the market value of their sponsorship at £100m in the first round of "FFP" and why I will be very surprised if they ever receive serious sanction.

In any event, allowing competitors to set the going rate for sponsorship deals that their rivals are allowed to achieve is so corrupt I hope PSG piss all over UEFA.
 
Shifting the cash to the next year's accounting period presumably......(one where there isn't another 300m? transfer on the books?)
Uefa have said they will backdate any purchase price to the date of the loan. This, under a little known rule called "give Barca, Real, and Yunited whatever they want."
 
Uefa have said they will backdate any purchase price to the date of the loan. This, under a little known rule called "give Barca, Real, and Yunited whatever they want."

Seeing as they've just changed the transfer rules so a player signed in January can play in a competition he's already played in, ie Coutinho, i'm inclined to agree.
 
PSG may just have played UEFA for the biggest set of suckers imaginable. My understanding is that the regulations in force in Spain were followed to the letter so that Neymar actually paid the release value in his contract with money he will earn from a sponsorship deal over the length of his contract from a body very favourable to the PSG's Qatari owners. He thus joined PSG on a free and so PSG's sponsorship deals are irrelevant since no transfer fee was paid. Now, UEFA will argue that this is a blatant attempt to get around FFP and it is surely right, but PSG will argue that UEFA drew up FFP, they are UEFA's rules, the club has observed them to the letter - absolutely to the letter - and now UEFA is changing those rules because of the attitude of certain competitors. This is a very strong legal argument, especially when the UEFA committee dealing with such matters includes other competitors (notably Gill and I believe, Woodward) and it may well be that the Neymar "business" was no more than bait to force UEFA to take action which is corrupt in commercial law.

The other point I would make is that, if the rumours of trouble at Chelsea are at all accurate, it could pretty much destroy the basis of FFP at a time when PSG are spoiling for a fight. Chelsea were solidly behind FFP when they thought it could serve their purposes and when City were held to be in breech in 2014 we were lectured by a sanctimonious Platini that FFP was in place to safeguard the financial viability of clubs and protect them from wealthy owners who spend, spend, spend and then want out. If Chelsea are in difficulty this argument will be shown to be complete nonsense. While FFP has been protecting its financial stability Chelsea's debt to its holding company has grown to well over £1 billion. This is actually a debt to Abramovitch and must be repaid within 180 days if he sells the club. Reports recently argue that he has suffered considerable financial reverses, is finding Chelsea increasinly a financial burden, may face difficulties with western banks and, more sinisterly, may come under severe pressure from Putin and is no longer prepared to provide the financial backing Chelsea needs. He will find it difficult to find a buyer prepared to settle the club's debt and times could well get hard for the club. This will make it relatively easy for any challenger to FFP to demonstrate that FFP fails spectacularly to give any protection to football clubs, which can fulfill the rules in letter and spirit and still be in ruinous debt. In face abiding by those rules makes it easier to fall into debt. And it is not difficult to demonstrate that FFP only really succeeds as a mechanism for protecting the dominant position of certain clubs (Barcelona in the PSG case).

In both cases the root of the problems is UEFA's ban on investment, which is contrary to commercial law in every European country.
 
Spending 400m on two players in the same transfer window was taking the piss, even if PSG managed to find a loophole. I know in financial regulation, you have to follow the spirit as well as the letter of the law. Guess UEFA feels the same should apply to them.
 
They should just tell UEFA to go fuck themselves and that they're willing to go to court. Wouldn't even be bad PR anymore with FFP becoming a laughing stock since they let Inter and Milan edit the regs to suit.
 
If they get sanctions for signing Mbappe they'll just pay the fine.
Like when we got sanctioned. At no point did we ever think, " Oh fuck, let's sell the players we just signed".
 
They should just tell UEFA to go fuck themselves and that they're willing to go to court. Wouldn't even be bad PR anymore with FFP becoming a laughing stock since they let Inter and Milan edit the regs to suit.
Probably deserves its own thread (google translate from French)
Fifa attacked on the property rules of the players: decision in a month

The case between the small Belgian club Seraing to Fifa, which could undermine the rules of ownership of players and financial fair play, was pleaded Thursday in the court of Brussels, which could make its decision to 'here a month.

This case, which has all the appearance of a new Bosman case, primarily concerns the third property of players, currently prohibited by Fifa.

Other issues concern, by extension, the principle of financial fair play and even the legitimacy of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (the CAS, based in Switzerland).

Lawyers Seraing (Belgian D3) and Fifa (they were 18 in total!) Argued for two hours before the civil court of Brussels who put the case "in continuation" - that is to say that a next hearing is scheduled for next Thursday, but only for document filings - and could make its decision within four weeks.

The third party ownership (TPO), banned by the International Football Federation, is the possibility for investors outside a club to own one or more parts of the economic rights of a player. What purpose? Collect part of the value of a future transfer.

At present, only clubs have the right to property on a player.

At the origin of this case, we find the Belgian club Seraing, signatory of a third-party contract with the investment fund Doyen Sports in January 2015.

Seraing refused to comply with the TPO ban imposed four months later by Fifa and was then fined financially (150,000 euros fine) by the International Federation.

- Bosman bis? -

One of Seraing's lawyers is Jean-Louis Dupont, who was one of the advisers to Jean-Marc Bosman, whose eponymous stop liberalized the transfer market in 1995, introducing the free movement of players and abolishing sports quotas (on the basis of nationality).

According to Mr. Dupont, by banning the TPO and "under the guise of protecting ethical values, Fifa uses its regulatory power to promote its own economic interests and those of its ultimate members, the clubs, monopolizing for their sole benefit a transfer market that she decided to create and regulate ".

"Where is the ethic when the player can not own his own rights?" Wonders the lawyer who could therefore be at the origin of a judgment Bosman "bis", which would again upset the market of transfers.

In this case, the Belgian lawyer also questions the legitimacy and independence of the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), based in Lausanne, Switzerland, which had endorsed FIFA's sanction against FC Seraing.

As the CAS is financed by the sports federations (especially the FIFA), it can not be independent, say the defenders of FC Seraing who also consider that this court is based outside the European Union, it would not have legitimacy to rule on matters governed by Community law.

If justice were to allow the TPO, it would also undermine the principle of financial fair play. What interest some clubs, such as PSG, which are limited in their development.

Before a final verdict, the judicial process could last several months or even years, if, for example, the Belgian court decided to refer a preliminary question to the European Court of Justice.
AFP
http://www.thesundaily.my/news/2018/05/24/belgian-court-promises-verdict-fifa-player-rules
 
They should just tell UEFA to go fuck themselves and that they're willing to go to court. Wouldn't even be bad PR anymore with FFP becoming a laughing stock since they let Inter and Milan edit the regs to suit.
AC Milan also facing sanctions.

Idon't think there's any chance of getting Mbappe. They'll just sell Neymar to Real Madrid and that will be that
 
If they need to sell players there's a whole heap that will go before any big names.

They'll probably just bargain and accept a fine and CL squad restrictions.
 
If they sell a big name its Neymar and that looks on. They will not sell another striker at the same time. So not happening.
They still actually have to buy Mbappe from Monaco on July 1st. The deal was constructed as a Loan for the first season and if they have a transfer ban, it would be interesting to see what would happen to the deal. It would probably go through as a pre-existing transaction but it could mean a big payday for the lawyers.
 
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If they sell a big name its Neymar and that looks on. They will not sell another striker at the same time. So not happening.

Agreed. Neymar's father sounds like he will push the deal through this summer, but even if it didn't happen in 2018 it would surely happen in 2019 so either way Nasser won't be selling Mbappe anytime soon imo.. I can see him moving on in 2020 though
 

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