gordondaviesmoustache
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I reckon that could be dealt with via assistant referees making that call. As an override.
Technology will be able to deal with it sooner or later anyway, imo.
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World Cup VAR
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Technology will be able to deal with it sooner or later anyway, imo.
It was still debateable with the France penalty that went to var. I mean the ref has still got to look at it and if it's a bent ref the agenda still goes on;-)I agree we would,if it continues like this in the world cup it is going to look well dodgy if we don't get it here and in the CL,there is way too much money in the game to rely on humans especially our useless lot
But this goes back to the whole issue of what those against VAR are saying. I have said all along that VAR can only be used for offside and where an incident takes place ie was the foul inside or out of the box. The dipper game is a perfect example. The incidents that cost us were the offsides two away and one at home for which they could use VAR because there is no subjectivity it is black and white. The Sterling penalty claim was subjective and not a stone wall pen so VAR is a complete waste of space in that situation. If you consider today' games two of the three pens given could easily be argued that VAR got it wrong and it also got it wrong by not giving Argentina what for me was a 100 oef cent pen ! Yes there will be the odd one that is clear and obvious like the Peru one but bloody hell the ref should gave got that right in the first place. 80 per cent of pens and those not gjven are not clear and obvious and we are just swapping refs making mistakes for machines and ruining games with horrendous delays.
That was my thoughts at first but change my mind! if there are 2 decisions in the box both pens but not been given one they look at the others they do and give it its improved the decision making.
PannickAtTheDisco
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Argentina one earlier (which I didn't think was a pen) was one where play was allowed to restart and that was that.
I just think if you're going to correct key decisions correct them. Don't introduce loopholes and get outs where things don't get properly looked at.
In that Peru pen play was stopped maybe 10 seconds after it happened. If the ball had gone out and quickly restarted and then the review happened I don't see why that's such a bad thing.
hopefully they'll come out and say it was an error in the Argie game and it will be ironed out, by and large it's been positive though.
NorCalBlue
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Bernard from "Westworld" would be able to see the difference.Probably but I don’t see how it could cope with players not interfering for example, they’d look offside to AI but technically they wouldn’t be.
NorCalBlue
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I still think VAR makes it harder for a bent ref to be bent. He can still give close calls any way he likes, but he wouldn't be able to claim that he didn't see something really obvious.It was still debateable with the France penalty that went to var. I mean the ref has still got to look at it and if it's a bent ref the agenda still goes on;-)
kaz7
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Not as easy to hide when it's pointed out for everyone to see,there is a reason the rags and dippers voted against itIt was still debateable with the France penalty that went to var. I mean the ref has still got to look at it and if it's a bent ref the agenda still goes on;-)
inchy14
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Bernard from "Westworld" would be able to see the difference.
Yes but he’d be shaking like a shitting dog half the time and looking for his dead kid.
Bigga
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Good decision, but if the ball had gone out and Denmark took it quickly (as they would) it would have been play on right?
Mmm, no. Dead ball play is at the ref's discretion. He allows it or doesn't.
No one gets to 'play on' if he's in the middle of decision making.
Mmm, no. Dead ball play is at the ref's discretion. He allows it or doesn't.
No one gets to 'play on' if he's in the middle of decision making.
This is a problem. As we saw in the Argentina game this happened and all of a sudden VAR is redundant.
You can guarantee the side "possibly" fouling in the penalty area is going to be trying to get play restarted as quickly as possible. I just don't see what that rule adds to VAR and the game.
If it's going to work these loopholes have got to be removed. We've already seen how loopholes in retrospective punishment pretty much give the authorities an "out" to make any decision they want.
Bigga
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This is the problem. As we saw in the Argentina game this happened and all of a sudden VAR is redundant.
If it's going to work these loopholes have got to be removed. We've already seen how loopholes in retrospective punishment pretty much give the authorities an "out" to make any decision they want.
Well agreed, on this point.
But, but by the very definition of the game, the ref is 'in charge'. Well, used to be.
If the VAR officials tell him to review at dead play, it doesn't matter if the opposing side move the ball quickly, it's essentially still dead at the ref's discretion.
How many times have we seen a ref pull back play cos he's not finished making a decision/ warning on/ to a player?
Happens all the time and this would just be a logical extension of that.
NorCalBlue
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I agree there are a few glitches they'd have to work out...Yes but he’d be shaking like a shitting dog half the time and looking for his dead kid.
BlueMoonz1977
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Loving the VAR...the corrupt fuckwits at uefa should get it sorted !
BlueHammer85
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VAR is making a huge improvement of the game - will still take many years to get right. But so far so good.
But this goes back to the whole issue of what those against VAR are saying. I have said all along that VAR can only be used for offside and where an incident takes place ie was the foul inside or out of the box. The dipper game is a perfect example. The incidents that cost us were the offsides two away and one at home for which they could use VAR because there is no subjectivity it is black and white. The Sterling penalty claim was subjective and not a stone wall pen so VAR is a complete waste of space in that situation. If you consider today' games two of the three pens given could easily be argued that VAR got it wrong and it also got it wrong by not giving Argentina what for me was a 100 oef cent pen ! Yes there will be the odd one that is clear and obvious like the Peru one but bloody hell the ref should gave got that right in the first place. 80 per cent of pens and those not gjven are not clear and obvious and we are just swapping refs making mistakes for machines and ruining games with horrendous delays.
Totally disagree. The Sterling incident if it had gone to VAR, would have been given. It's Exactly the same as the Griezmann incident earlier. Ref missed it in real time, quick review and original decision would have been over turned, as it was today. Peru non pen exactly the same. Having seen VAR in action today specifically in the Griezmann /Peru case, how can you say it would be a waste of space in this type of situation? It's proved itself to work already in those type of instances.
As for the Argentina non pen, which it clearly was I agree. This wasn't VAR or the technology itself that was at fault. But the idiot operating it. How that wasn't reviewed was poor. But it's early stages, they will improve the process further as it becomes established. And it's helping get more correct decisions than the old system. What's not to like?
As for delays, it's been minimal... a fraction of the time lost for subs or throw ins, it's a total red herring. if anything it adds to the drama too...
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Great to see VAR getting utterly hammered by the pundits on MOTD and on the radio, calling it out for what it is: unadulterated shite. The more shambolic the VAR (as we saw in the France game) the better. This World Cup will be the death of VAR. Thank fuck for that.
Great to see VAR getting utterly hammered by the pundits on MOTD and on the radio, calling it out for what it is: unadulterated shite. The more shambolic the VAR (as we saw in the France game) the better. This World Cup will be the death of VAR. Thank fuck for that.
The French game? VAR got it 100% correct. Phil Neville agrees with you, but every other pundit (Gary Neville, Drogba, Lineker, alex scott, Evra, Keane, Larson, Dixon, Ferdinand, Bilic) I've heard on BBC/ITV talk about it, agree the process works and VAR got the decision right....
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Well agreed, on this point.
But, but by the very definition of the game, the ref is 'in charge'. Well, used to be.
If the VAR officials tell him to review at dead play, it doesn't matter if the opposing side move the ball quickly, it's essentially still dead at the ref's discretion.
How many times have we seen a ref pull back play cos he's not finished making a decision/ warning on/ to a player?
Happens all the time and this would just be a logical extension of that.
Spot on. Very easy to manage this way!
Bewar3them00n
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Loving the VAR, and seeing how stupid Phil Neville really is.
Quite enjoying how the refs aren’t falling for the play acting, The Costa goal for instance, with Pepe doing his usual drama school special, rolling around as if mortally wounded, then jumping back up when the ref gives nothing.
Quite enjoying how the refs aren’t falling for the play acting, The Costa goal for instance, with Pepe doing his usual drama school special, rolling around as if mortally wounded, then jumping back up when the ref gives nothing.
Bigga
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Great to see VAR getting utterly hammered by the pundits on MOTD and on the radio, calling it out for what it is: unadulterated shite. The more shambolic the VAR (as we saw in the France game) the better. This World Cup will be the death of VAR. Thank fuck for that.
This is just nonsense! Are you having a pop at VAR in its first real outing??!!
How long did it take for the 'offside' rule to be implemented properly and still be lambasted now for different interpretations?!!
Your view is distinctly of one of dinosaur!!
You're the guy who throws up his umbrella after feeling a drop of rain in a blue sky... extremely negative!!