United thread 2018/19

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nmc said:
They don’t have a D of Football but I’m sure the United Board are reeling from that deal they did at Christmas which maybe behind their prudence this summer. Maureen bounced them into the Sanchez deal but on reflection it’s an idiotic deal that they really shouldn’t have done and in many ways that deal will be the beginning of the end for Maureen at United
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The CEO passing personal blame and criticism of Utd's conduct in the transfer market, which he probably took very personally directly on to his manager. Nice.

I do tend to get things out of perspective but this has really shocked me. I don't think I have seen anything like this before.

Had we been in pre-season this talk would explode Utd apart but the football will drown all else out. If they win which seems very likely all will be well. If not then they have huge problems almost right away. I guess in Mourinho's 3rd season he was always going to have problems anyway if he didn't deliver so looked at that way it makes no odds at all.
 
maccadon said:
What gets me with the "we didnt want him anyway" attitude by club and fans.why not just be honest? Everyone knows anyways.we lose a target like jorginho n say "oh well" its like the kid whos eaten the last cream cake n says "it wasn't me" with cream all over their face.
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Yep Pep was honest in his press conferences about the signings we missed out on.
 
Murph said:
Sanchez on 500k pw must be a killer for them, all that to get one over on City. 4 years left on his contract hahaha
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Heard on the radio this morning the Sanchez deal set to cost them £200m when all fees and wages fractured in.
That is desperation in the extreme.
 
dennishasdoneit said:
This is what Bobby Charlton would have been ranting about in an effort to stop the club appointing Jose. ..He knew what a mess utd would become with no youth policy to speak of,a miserable manager playing defensive football...with an ego far bigger than the club's reputation.
Of course Charlton was shouted down,had a stand named after him as a softner. ..and utd went ahead and appointed a man fresh out of a messy court case involving the humiliation (bullying? )of a female member of staff at his last club.
Classy appointment that.
Charlton. .you were right.
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Much as watching Mourinho is enjoyable, I really don't buy the idea that this is all down to him. United have had a scattergun, shiny toy approach to recruitment for the last few years, splurging vast amounts on players who don't even fit in to a particular plan. Their squad has plenty of good players in it, but the wage structure is a mess, and there's no coherent team in it. To that extent, Mourinho is completely spot on - it needs a thorough overhaul. Woodward happily signed off on the Sanchez transfer, despite it being massively expensive, and divisive as half the rest of the team then demanded a pay rise. It's a bit rich for him to complain now about short-termism, it's all they've done, whether on the playing side or indeed their choice of managers.
 
Henkeman said:
Much as watching Mourinho is enjoyable, I really don't buy the idea that this is all down to him. United have had a scattergun, shiny toy approach to recruitment for the last few years, splurging vast amounts on players who don't even fit in to a particular plan. Their squad has plenty of good players in it, but the wage structure is a mess, and there's no coherent team in it. To that extent, Mourinho is completely spot on - it needs a thorough overhaul. Woodward happily signed off on the Sanchez transfer, despite it being massively expensive, and divisive as half the rest of the team then demanded a pay rise. It's a bit rich for him to complain now about short-termism, it's all they've done, whether on the playing side or indeed their choice of managers.
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Most of the blame is on us for appointing Pep.
The rags panicked and went for Peg.
He was seen as the only option to counter Pep, forgetting he was a very poor fit for the rags.
All other problems stem from that one big mistake.
 
This is going to recede perhaps into the background given Utd have an easy home game but it will come back again and again.

City fans feel that the media backs Utd but this is a journalists dream narrative which they absolutely will exploit.

I hope City fans will refrain from exploiting the situation with a few well chosen words. It's a waste of your time. They will implode with or without you. The fuse has been lit. Only question is whether it's fast-burning or slow.
 
whp.blue said:
Most of the blame is on us for appointing Pep.
The rags panicked and went for Peg.
He was seen as the only option to counter Pep, forgetting he was a very poor fit for the rags.
All other problems stem from that one big mistake.
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I'd agree, were it not for the way that these problems pre-date Mourinho to a fair extent. Moyes and Van Gaal were hardly resounding successes either, and the same scattergun approach to player recruitment was in place then too. And having given Mourinho a long term contract, it surely makes sense for him to be able to build the team he wants. They've got a whole bunch of players they spent heavily on that they just don't want. I don't see Woodward suggesting that Blind and Rojo have been integral performers for them for example.
 
dickie davies said:
Chatting with a rag yesterday and he has (along with every other rag he knows) very much come to the same conclusion as ourselves.
They are a commercial juggernaut but almost everything else is a shambles and he freely admitted City are leaving them behind

He even said "If you were a young player with a bright future, why the fuck would you choose united over anyone else!!"

Five years ago I told him what was going to happen and he scoffed and said "never"
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So true. It has indeed happened and remember the key word in a rag's DNA is " glory"
Glory because you are winning things and even when you are not winning, glory because the best players want to play for you.
Rags' commercial model depends on a mass hoodwinking operation that "glory" is around the corner. Commercial revenues, sponsorship deals are in danger if millions of glory hunters are disillusioned.
So far, we've been mocking the egocentric, deranged PEG but there are deeper problems.
Glazers are siphoning off 50 mil plus per annum in interest on debt and dividend payments alone. The greedy owners are treating the club as a huge cash cow.
All is okay if you are successful on the pitch because that's what the gloryhunter expects.
What is the point of running around singing "glory glory Man Utd" if you're doing FA on the pitch and becoming a laughing stock off it?
Oh what schadenfreude and malicious glee!!!
 
I think once the dust settles after this window united will do well enough. Not win the league but do grind out results and win a cup maybe. They’ll have a definite best-11 and a settled subs bench. From the squad and management’s perspective the world will be against them, including their own fans, board and former allies in the media. Its perfect in a way for Mourinho... once he doesn’t throw his own players under the bus too often.

Obviously I hope I’m wrong and the results will be bad enough for it all to crash down around them.
 
TonyM said:
I think once the dust settles after this window united will do well enough. Not win the league but do grind out results and win a cup maybe. They’ll have a definite best-11 and a settled subs bench. From the squad and management’s perspective the world will be against them, including their own fans, board and former allies in the media. Its perfect in a way for Mourinho... once he doesn’t throw his own players under the bus too often.

Obviously I hope I’m wrong and the results will be bad enough for it all to crash down around them.
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Unfortunately that's how I see it too.

They will grind and put up a good points tally again. The stick they're getting at the minute plays right into Jose's hands too, he loves a good siege mentality.
 
Think it's a good time to remember these pearls of wisdom from Patrick Barclay...

"I can absolutely promise you that nothing will have made Guardiola's heart sink - since his committed himself to Manchester City, and that may have been years rather than months ago - than the news that Jose Mourinho was coming to Manchester. Honestly, he must have felt like ripping up his contract when that happened."

:-D
 
Cheesy said:
Think it's a good time to remember these pearls of wisdom from Patrick Barclay...

"I can absolutely promise you that nothing will have made Guardiola's heart sink - since his committed himself to Manchester City, and that may have been years rather than months ago - than the news that Jose Mourinho was coming to Manchester. Honestly, he must have felt like ripping up his contract when that happened."

:-D
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Haven't seen that before, this Barclay twat needs that message sending to him every 10 minutes.
 
TonyM said:
I think once the dust settles after this window united will do well enough.
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I'm not so sure. They have a huge rebuilding job ahead of them. So many of their players want out and Maureen has made the place so poisonous it makes Novichok look like a sherbet fountain.

I think it's going to take years and years for them to even start competing with the likes of us and the Dippers, and they can ill-afford to let us further widen the gap. All the while we are hurtling through the sea at full speed ahead, they are miles behind us, treading water...desperately bailing out and begging to be rescued.

It will take a long time for the 'want-away' players to be replaced, bedded in and ready for the long and arduous season ahead: much the same way as Pep's first season with us.
But the difference is that Pep is an extremely good manager, the rags would need someone far superior to him to even think about rebuilding - and the reality is there is no one out there who can even get close to Pep.
We all know Maureen is outdated, his football (for want of a better word) was old-fashioned in the 60's and 70's: we are now in the 21st century and he is still playing long, hopeful balls to a big target man. It's not just outdated, it's almost bloody prehistoric. Realistically, Maureen is finished. His days in English football are over, for good. The one job he cherished above all else was being in charge at the swamp...and he's fucked that up big time.

The only way forward for the rags now is to recognise that a huge overhaul is needed at the club: manager, staff, players etc, a clean sweep. And back to the drawing board.
A few years in the wilderness will not damage them too much financially, but even if it does curtail their spending a bit, they'd get the one thing they need above all else - stability.
 
Cheesy said:
Think it's a good time to remember these pearls of wisdom from Patrick Barclay...

"I can absolutely promise you that nothing will have made Guardiola's heart sink - since his committed himself to Manchester City, and that may have been years rather than months ago - than the news that Jose Mourinho was coming to Manchester. Honestly, he must have felt like ripping up his contract when that happened."

:-D
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Not seen so much of him recently, compared to when he seemed to be on TV or radio every day.

Perhaps in the sports journo Dustbin Of The Clueless along with Steve "Phil Jones is the new Duncan Edwards" Curry.
 
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