Spurs’ new stadium

didsburyblu said:
Still trying to rip off their own fans even with this debacle going on!

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Wunderbar! hard reality strikes. @worsleyweb said this had no chance of being done before December and as he works in the industry i had no reason to question that, it seems he was right.

Levy is a tight fisted tosser so their fans are going to have to get used to this stuff.
 
Another day, another forum.

From She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Arsenal forum:

https://shewore.com/2018/08/16/tottenham-stadium-builders-contracted-until-november/


As every day goes on, you hear more stories from more people involved in the project about problems on the stadium:

  • Slingers (operatives who direct cranes for lifting operations) refused to take work onsite.. Management were demanding slingers to undertake dangerous lifts. After a recent death in London, slingers are refusing to undertake the danger lifts. They are getting sacked. Problem is there is so much work in London, and so few slingers out of work that no one wants to work there. Lifting operations literally ground to a halt at times.
  • There was a well documented problem with the seats where 15,000 of them were injected with the wrong dye. These are still being replaced.
  • The poor weather earlier this year put the project back two weeks as they were unable to get the roof on.
  • When tested, the fire alarm system failed. The entire system requires re-wiring. As it had been plastered over and the walls finished, these need to be ripped out, re-wired and then made good. This was discovered 2 weeks ago. It is expected to take 4 months to complete.
  • The wrong lines were reportedly installed for emergency telephones; fibre optic was used instead of copper.
  • Ultimately, people just do not want to work there – it is a highly pressurised job and operatives are being coerced into working long hours. Its location is also reducing the worker pool as people will not commute. London is so busy at the moment that you can pick up 10-12 hours a day in Central London where the site is more relaxed, slower. Agencies are struggling to find anyone to fill the skills gap.
There have been plenty of reports across social media of electrical companies having their contracts extended to Christmas. Of Northern based tradesman who have been put up in digs being told to expect to still be here in 2019.

Tottenham are reportedly trying to put all the blame on Mace, hiding behind Health and Safety in order to justify playing at two home stadiums this season. But they installed themselves as Project Managers so knew every step of the way of the problems the project faced.

The truth is the stadium was never going to be ready.

When construction began, everyone in the industry knew that they were trying to complete a 30 month job in 18 months. It was always an overly ambitious deadline driven by greed.

Something like the weather early this year is not their fault, but when you are working to such a tight schedule you can not afford a 2 weeks delay.

Spurs should have been honest and realistic 12 months ago. Hired Wembley for 2 years and ensured the new ground was completed on time. Sold season tickets at Wembley and ensure the project was completed, with safety certificates, for 2019.

Instead Levy was driven by the greed – or need – for the stadium to be completed for the start of the 2018/19 season. Spurs needed the income to cover spiralling costs. The problem they now face is they do not have a stadium ready, and costs are still spiralling.

The project will end up costing over £1bn, and I would be surprised if they play at the new ground this season.

Keenos
 
The fact that Spurs have even been given permission to play games at Wembley and then move into their new stadium in the same season is a disgrace. It hurts the integrity of the league.
Liverpool could be advantaged/disadvantaged by playing at Wembley compared to other teams playing in the new stadium
It'd undermine the PL further if they get to play in a 3rd stadium during 18/19 in order to face us.

We'll probably bend over and risk our run-in with 4 away games in the last 5 but if it were me I'd kindly tell them to fuck off and pay NFL a huge wad to get them to rearrange their event. Levy would in no way risk compromising Spurs' season to help us
 
Luddite_Blue said:
Another day, another forum.

From She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Arsenal forum:

https://shewore.com/2018/08/16/tottenham-stadium-builders-contracted-until-november/


As every day goes on, you hear more stories from more people involved in the project about problems on the stadium:

  • Slingers (operatives who direct cranes for lifting operations) refused to take work onsite.. Management were demanding slingers to undertake dangerous lifts. After a recent death in London, slingers are refusing to undertake the danger lifts. They are getting sacked. Problem is there is so much work in London, and so few slingers out of work that no one wants to work there. Lifting operations literally ground to a halt at times.
  • There was a well documented problem with the seats where 15,000 of them were injected with the wrong dye. These are still being replaced.
  • The poor weather earlier this year put the project back two weeks as they were unable to get the roof on.
  • When tested, the fire alarm system failed. The entire system requires re-wiring. As it had been plastered over and the walls finished, these need to be ripped out, re-wired and then made good. This was discovered 2 weeks ago. It is expected to take 4 months to complete.
  • The wrong lines were reportedly installed for emergency telephones; fibre optic was used instead of copper.
  • Ultimately, people just do not want to work there – it is a highly pressurised job and operatives are being coerced into working long hours. Its location is also reducing the worker pool as people will not commute. London is so busy at the moment that you can pick up 10-12 hours a day in Central London where the site is more relaxed, slower. Agencies are struggling to find anyone to fill the skills gap.
There have been plenty of reports across social media of electrical companies having their contracts extended to Christmas. Of Northern based tradesman who have been put up in digs being told to expect to still be here in 2019.

Tottenham are reportedly trying to put all the blame on Mace, hiding behind Health and Safety in order to justify playing at two home stadiums this season. But they installed themselves as Project Managers so knew every step of the way of the problems the project faced.

The truth is the stadium was never going to be ready.

When construction began, everyone in the industry knew that they were trying to complete a 30 month job in 18 months. It was always an overly ambitious deadline driven by greed.

Something like the weather early this year is not their fault, but when you are working to such a tight schedule you can not afford a 2 weeks delay.

Spurs should have been honest and realistic 12 months ago. Hired Wembley for 2 years and ensured the new ground was completed on time. Sold season tickets at Wembley and ensure the project was completed, with safety certificates, for 2019.

Instead Levy was driven by the greed – or need – for the stadium to be completed for the start of the 2018/19 season. Spurs needed the income to cover spiralling costs. The problem they now face is they do not have a stadium ready, and costs are still spiralling.

The project will end up costing over £1bn, and I would be surprised if they play at the new ground this season.

Keenos
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Seemingly well informed article but I would doubt the last sentence, surely it it was looking unlikely they wouldn't get the ground ready for this season they would come clean and extend (where possible) their Wembley stay?
 
Luddite_Blue said:
Another day, another forum.

From She Wore a Yellow Ribbon, Arsenal forum:

https://shewore.com/2018/08/16/tottenham-stadium-builders-contracted-until-november/


As every day goes on, you hear more stories from more people involved in the project about problems on the stadium:

  • Slingers (operatives who direct cranes for lifting operations) refused to take work onsite.. Management were demanding slingers to undertake dangerous lifts. After a recent death in London, slingers are refusing to undertake the danger lifts. They are getting sacked. Problem is there is so much work in London, and so few slingers out of work that no one wants to work there. Lifting operations literally ground to a halt at times.
  • There was a well documented problem with the seats where 15,000 of them were injected with the wrong dye. These are still being replaced.
  • The poor weather earlier this year put the project back two weeks as they were unable to get the roof on.
  • When tested, the fire alarm system failed. The entire system requires re-wiring. As it had been plastered over and the walls finished, these need to be ripped out, re-wired and then made good. This was discovered 2 weeks ago. It is expected to take 4 months to complete.
  • The wrong lines were reportedly installed for emergency telephones; fibre optic was used instead of copper.
  • Ultimately, people just do not want to work there – it is a highly pressurised job and operatives are being coerced into working long hours. Its location is also reducing the worker pool as people will not commute. London is so busy at the moment that you can pick up 10-12 hours a day in Central London where the site is more relaxed, slower. Agencies are struggling to find anyone to fill the skills gap.
There have been plenty of reports across social media of electrical companies having their contracts extended to Christmas. Of Northern based tradesman who have been put up in digs being told to expect to still be here in 2019.

Tottenham are reportedly trying to put all the blame on Mace, hiding behind Health and Safety in order to justify playing at two home stadiums this season. But they installed themselves as Project Managers so knew every step of the way of the problems the project faced.

The truth is the stadium was never going to be ready.

When construction began, everyone in the industry knew that they were trying to complete a 30 month job in 18 months. It was always an overly ambitious deadline driven by greed.

Something like the weather early this year is not their fault, but when you are working to such a tight schedule you can not afford a 2 weeks delay.

Spurs should have been honest and realistic 12 months ago. Hired Wembley for 2 years and ensured the new ground was completed on time. Sold season tickets at Wembley and ensure the project was completed, with safety certificates, for 2019.

Instead Levy was driven by the greed – or need – for the stadium to be completed for the start of the 2018/19 season. Spurs needed the income to cover spiralling costs. The problem they now face is they do not have a stadium ready, and costs are still spiralling.

The project will end up costing over £1bn, and I would be surprised if they play at the new ground this season.

Keenos
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I agree with every word - great post.
 
hammocity said:
Seemingly well informed article but I would doubt the last sentence, surely it it was looking unlikely they wouldn't get the ground ready for this season they would come clean and extend (where possible) their Wembley stay?
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I reckon they will make an announcement that all games will be played at Wembley this season.
 
waspish said:
I reckon they will make an announcement that all games will be played at Wembley this season.
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That would be in everyone's best interest but we are talking tight arse Daniel Levy here, it's not his dosh on the line but the man is money obsessed.
 
Silva_Spell said:
The fact that Spurs have even been given permission to play games at Wembley and then move into their new stadium in the same season is a disgrace. It hurts the integrity of the league.
Liverpool could be advantaged/disadvantaged by playing at Wembley compared to other teams playing in the new stadium
It'd undermine the PL further if they get to play in a 3rd stadium during 18/19 in order to face us.

We'll probably bend over and risk our run-in with 4 away games in the last 5 but if it were me I'd kindly tell them to fuck off and pay NFL a huge wad to get them to rearrange their event. Levy would in no way risk compromising Spurs' season to help us
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This idea about shifting the NFL is just not realistic.
A solution is to declare force majeure regarding number of stadia in a year and use the one stadium in London that IS free that week - London Stadium.
In terms of access from Euston station it works as well. Postponement just risks fixture chaos in the likelihood that one of the teams goes far in another competition(s).
Would also get around the issue of cancelling the match and giving the points to City as there will be contractual issues with the TV companies for the lost match.
With Sky taking the match off their website (and the excellent post by Keeno) it looks to me that new WHL as a venue for the City match is not happening.
 
hammocity said:
That would be in everyone's best interest but we are talking tight arse Daniel Levy here, it's not his dosh on the line but the man is money obsessed.
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Yep it would just our game is up in the air and city should put there four down and don’t let it disadvantage us.
 
BlueAnorak said:
The Premier League/FA have knocked this one on the head. 2 stadia tops WHL and Wembley
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That's a typically ridiculous response from the authorities. Any pretense of integrity went out the window when they allowed them to use 2 home stadiums in the same season. Using an additional venue for just one game won't have any negative effect at all. In fact it's the only solution that doesn't involve messing thousands of supporters around and sending the fixture list into chaos.

The Premier League created this mess in the first place by bending their own rules. Surely common sense would dictate that they should just bend them again to accommodate this one game with the least possible disruption.
 
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Wankers. They must have known for some time about how long it would take. Just be honest.
 
lancs blue said:
No, Spurs are at home to Brighton on 6th April, FA Cup semi-final weekend.
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I suppose that's easier to move to a Friday or Monday night if neither of them are in the semi final. The main issue is if an outside body like NFL have it booked.
 
People saying that levy didn’t know this situation with ground Would happen are pretty naive because that would make Levy Naive and that’s one thing he isn’t.
 
waspish said:
People saying that levy didn’t know this situation with ground Would happen are pretty naive because that would make Levy Naive and that’s one thing he isn’t.
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I picked someone up about a year ago (I'm a taxi driver) who was working on the stadium and they told me that Levy was micro-managing every single aspect of construction right down to the colour of the light switches. He said to me that Levy will be the one who ends up slowing everything down....looks like he was proved right.
 
waspish said:
People saying that levy didn’t know this situation with ground Would happen are pretty naive because that would make Levy Naive and that’s one thing he isn’t.
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Too bloody right. So many on here claiming it isn't Spurs fault. It is!
They have joint liability with Mace and penny pinching Daniel Levy is lucky that the stadium construction is as far on as it is. With a normal British Spring/Summer weather, it would have slipped at least another 3 weeks.
Levy refused to build in contingrncy for safety event failure so we are where we are. City had checked all electrical circuits by the beginning of July! And could flip the first months fixtures if there were issues. To not check fire alarm circuits during construction is frankly criminal. An attempt to save money that has backfired badly.
Construction of two of the new stands at WHL should have been 100% complete before WHL was even demolished - extra costs that Spurs refused to pay.
So here we are now with Spurs spending £400 a a day on 600 electritricians to check and fix 10,000 circuits in the vain hope they can get it sorted out by the end of September.
Then they have to give the local authority 6 weeks notice as to when the safety events can next take place.
It's a mess; and most of it is down to Levy.
He should have seen that the NFL booking of Wembley for 3 weeks was also an issue. He didn't.
No Spurs and Levy are in the dock for this one. The senior project management by Spurs has been shocking. Of course, the Premier League will bend over backwards to help them. They shouldn't and certainly not at our expense.
And while we're at it, if tge game is rescheduked, Spurs should pay City fans for hotels and train tickets already booked as it is their fault that the game was scheduled for TV. Normally a sign that travel and accommodation can be bought and payed for - when Spurs knew full well that the game might not go ahead.
 
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If the game can't be played at WHL on Sunday 28th then the Premier League should play the game at West Ham's London stadium. This has the least impact on us. If the Premier League don't want to do that then it should be flagged as not fullfilling a fixture and a 3-0 win awarded to City.
 
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