Leroy Sane - 2018/2019 performances

[Neville Kneville]

Smiling is a great shout.....However,i'd like to see him make a bigger effort to fight for the ball or not give up when the perfect pass to his feet isn't made.......a bit less huffing and puffing and throwing his arms about would help too.

As for your 'more white' comment.....it's incredibly poor and devalues true racism.

Not in a squad which appears to have undercurrents of racism it isn't.

If Kroos had said he thinks Sané needs to run harder, that at lesst would be a tangible criticism hecould consider.

Wrong fucking body language.

Thd right one presumably, is the typically German one.

Which brings in a possibility.

The reality most likely is, Kroos is just a **** deflecting from his own shortcomings at a rival's expense & there is no meaning to any of it, other than that.

There is certainly no football advice to help Sané, in his comments. People are making that part up.

 

[blueparrot]

There is certainly no football advice to help Sané, in his comments. People are making that part up.

How would we know what advice he has given Sane personally, He is apparently speaking from experience of being left out of a Pep squad and having to prove himself. We can't assume someone is racist because of the few quotes we have seen.

 

[Dicko69]

He could try goose stepping

Kroos said 'body language'.

What does Leroy do, to fall into line & be accepted by the Germans, based on Kroos comments which were of course, made purely to 'help' him ?

Smile more ?

Or be more white perhaps ?

He could try goosestepping ;)

 

[domalino]

Seeing as people are assuming Sané is at fault, when being accused of the wrong 'body language' (how the fuck does he interpret that ?) why can't I assume that a player in German outfit which has undercurrents of racism, has those leanings himself ?

It's just as viable a possiblity as wrong 'body language'.

Not in a squad which appears to have undercurrents of racism it isn't.

If Kroos had said he thinks Sané needs to run harder, that at lesst would be a tangible criticism hecould consider.

Wrong fucking body language.

Thd right one presumably, is the typically German one.

Which brings in a possibility.

The reality most likely is, Kroos is just a **** deflecting from his own shortcomings at a rival's expense & there is no meaning to any of it, other than that.

There is certainly no football advice to help Sané, in his comments. People are making that part up.

You've said it a couple of times now, but there's no undercurrent of racism in the Germany team or squad. No one has even made such an accusation.

Ozil said there were some people who have said racist things in the higher echelons of the DFB, but to say that means there's a racist undercurrent in the Germany team - players or staff - is completely wrong. It's a team full of players from mixed backgrounds, races and religions and no one has ever suggested racism towards Sané or the Turkish element, coming from the footballing staff or players.

To now decide that because the german equivalent of Greg Dyke said something racist, towards Ozil, Toni Kroos is now a racist and is criticising Leroy because of his race is way beyond any kind of sensible discussion.

 

[BlueTG]

What is it with Germany airing their dirty laundry out in public, so to speak?
All summer the circus has been in full-swing, and yet it continues.

 

[Neville Kneville]

How would we know what advice he has given Sane personally, He is apparently speaking from experience of being left out of a Pep squad and having to prove himself. We can't assume someone is racist because of the few quotes we have seen.

No we can't.

Nor can we assume he is doing anything other than slag our player in public.

If people can interpret his shitty comments as being proof of him trying to help, why can't I interpret them as him meaning Sané isn't typically German ?

Both possibilities carry as much proof.

More likely neither is the case & Kroos is just a ****.

 

[Neville Kneville]

You've said it a couple of times now, but there's no undercurrent of racism in the Germany team or squad. No one has even made such an accusation.

Ozil said there were some people who have said racist things in the higher echelons of the DFB, but to say that means there's a racist undercurrent in the Germany team - players or staff - is completely wrong. It's a team full of players from mixed backgrounds, races and religions and no one has ever suggested racism towards Sané or the Turkish element, coming from the footballing staff or players.

To now decide that because the german equivalent of Greg Dyke said something racist, towards Ozil, Toni Kroos is now a racist and is criticising Leroy because of his race is way beyond any kind of sensible discussion.

Hardly been much concern or sympathy has there ?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

How would we know what advice he has given Sane personally, He is apparently speaking from experience of being left out of a Pep squad and having to prove himself. We can't assume someone is racist because of the few quotes we have seen.

I have no idea if Kroos is racist or not but his comments are part of a racist narrative. I am Manchester Irish and the common narrative when I was growing up used to be "Irish people are thick" and it used to form lots of jokes. Not everyone who made those jokes were racist (Frank Carson for example) but it was a racist narrative. That racist narrative is certainly part of German football at the moment with the anti-Turkish issue. Body language is a very poor phrase to use. Imagine if Harry Kane had said something similar about Marcus Rashford publically. I suspect Southgate would drop him.

 

[Uptop]

I seen a German poster online say it will play well with many in the country for him to say what he has while other players who were actually in the world cup squad and played like shit, including himself, get little criticism.

 

[Pigeonho]

Neville, have you read the comments? ‘Win, lose or draw, his body language is the same’. Imagine being part of a team and squad and one of them acts the same no matter what? I’d say what he means is that win, lose or draw, Sane mopes around in his own air of cockiness, not attempting to be part of the group, thinking he’s better than others and being an all round arrogant twat. If he’s not listened to advice given to him in person, for the good of the squad first and foremost but also the player, what do you do next? Go public and kick his arse. If that is indeed what Sane is like, I wouldn’t want him near me if I was in a group of players aiming to achieve something. I’d say that’s what he means by body language.

 

[Neville Kneville]

I seen a German poster online say it will play well with many in the country for him to say what he has while other players who were actually in the world cup squad and played like shit, including himself, get little criticism.

That's the first thing I thought when I read the comments.

After the recent problems with Ozil etc, you don't immediately single out a player for attention, if you are genuinely trying to 'help' him.

 

[domalino]

Hardly been much concern or sympathy has there ?

Wasn't it just yesterday Muller was talking about how the team want to gather around Gundogan to support him because they could see how it had effected him in the world cup, and Low said there was absolutely no question that Ilkay was a German as could be?

That's the first thing I thought when I read the comments.

After the recent problems with Ozil etc, you don't immediately single out a player for attention, if you are genuinely trying to 'help' him.

Is it singling someone out if you are asked a specific question about them and answer? He didn't think of a player to throw under the bus, he got asked again and again about Sané because him being dropped by Pep and being recalled by Low is one of the main talking points.

When one journalist put it to him that Sané wasn't a team player, he said that was bollocks - a weird missed opportunity in his campaign to assassinate Sané's character really.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Neville, have you read the comments? ‘Win, lose or draw, his body language is the same’. Imagine being part of a team and squad and one of them acts the same no matter what? I’d say what he means is that win, lose or draw, Sane mopes around in his own air of cockiness, not attempting to be part of the group, thinking he’s better than others and being an all round arrogant twat. If he’s not listened to advice given to him in person, for the good of the squad first and foremost but also the player, what do you do next? Go public and kick his arse. If that is indeed what Sane is like, I wouldn’t want him near me if I was in a group of players aiming to achieve something. I’d say that’s what he means by body language.

Well it's worked on you then hasn't it ?

It's drawn attention to Sané as a possible problem.

Has it 'helped' him ? Has it FUCK.

Was it supposed to ? Was it FUCK.

 

[Pigeonho]

Well it's worked on you then hasn't it ?

It's drawn attention to Sané as a possible problem.

Has it 'helped' him ? Has it FUCK.

Was it supposed to ? Was it FUCK.

How do you know it’s worked or not? He might be there right now thinking it’s time to grow up a bit and heed Kroos’ advice.
Nothing’s worked on me. I know neither Sané or Kroos personally, so it affects me not one iota. What I can do though, which you seem unable to do, is think outside of the blue box and accept that yes, it’s possibke Sané is a bit of a twat and needs reeling in a bit. I might be wrong and Kroos is the ****. As I say, I know neither of them and don’t really care either way.

 

[TarnatsLeftPeg]

I have no idea if Kroos is racist or not but his comments are part of a racist narrative. I am Manchester Irish and the common narrative when I was growing up used to be "Irish people are thick" and it used to form lots of jokes. Not everyone who made those jokes were racist (Frank Carson for example) but it was a racist narrative. That racist narrative is certainly part of German football at the moment with the anti-Turkish issue. Body language is a very poor phrase to use. Imagine if Harry Kane had said something similar about Marcus Rashford publically. I suspect Southgate would drop him.

I think your absolutely crackers lad .

I think your way to obsessed with racism .

If Harry Kane had said something similar about Marcus Rashford publically. I suspect Southgate would drop him.’

Haha that sentence is so weird .. your probably the racist here

 

[Neville Kneville]

Wasn't it just yesterday Muller was talking about how the team want to gather around Gundogan to support him because they could see how it had effected him in the world cup, and Low said there was absolutely no question that Ilkay was a German as could be?



Is it singling someone out if you are asked a specific question about them and answer?

Look, I don't believe anyone seriously thinks these comments help Sané.

If someone can show me how Sané is in a better situation now, than he was pre Kroos' comments & how drawing public attention to his 'body language' for all the German media, means he is more likely to settle in quickly, then there is some point to it.

Otherwise if nobody can, then all it's done for Sané is put him under extra pressure when a he is being reintroduced to the team.

Could any of us have thought of an answer which didn't have that effect ? Of course we could.

He said if because he wanted to.

 

[Jazzman]

Racism?? I see only one agenda at play here,so turn it in with that nonsense.

A senior player,with incredible experience,is calling the Sane situation as he see's it.There is nothing sinister going on,its just good advice he would be wise to listen to.

I agree it is not related to racism. Also it would seem to me that Sane requires a kick in the arse sometimes, so you are right about the advice part. However I also think there is something else at play here, namely a conflict of generations in the German national team. The remaining world champions of 2014, of which Kroos appears to have turned into the leader, have a hard time accepting the new generation. In my humble opinion that was one cause of the disaster world cup 2018, and it seems to continue now. I think Kroos has a dislike to Leroy, sees him as representing the new generation and uses him to put the younger guys down. It will not end well with that team, as the real team spirit is not there. I predict they will loose to France and perhaps also to Holland, and Löw will have to go. All the above is my subjective belief so not founded in anything relevant :-)

 

[Clercqs]

Look, I don't believe anyone seriously thinks these comments help Sané.

If someone can show me how Sané is in a better situation now, than he was pre Kroos' comments & how drawing public attention to his 'body language' for all the German media, means he is more likely to settle in quickly, then there is some point to it.

Otherwise if nobody can, then all it's done for Sané is put him under extra pressure when a he is being reintroduced to the team.

Could any of us have thought of an answer which didn't have that effect ? Of course we could.

He said if because he wanted to.

Can you show us that Sane is not in a better situation than he was pre Kroos' comments? Maybe all he needs is that extra pressure? It's difficult to know right now whether Kroos' comments is good for him or not but I don't think Kroos is saying those words just to piss him off. Don't know what interest Kroos would have in making Sane more miserable.

 

[Neville Kneville]

Wasn't it just yesterday Muller was talking about how the team want to gather around Gundogan to support him because they could see how it had effected him in the world cup, and Low said there was absolutely no question that Ilkay was a German as could be?



Is it singling someone out if you are asked a specific question about them and answer? He didn't think of a player to throw under the bus, he got asked again and again about Sané because him being dropped by Pep and being recalled by Low is one of the main talking points.

When one journalist put it to him that Sané wasn't a team player, he said that was bollocks - a weird missed opportunity in his campaign to assassinate Sané's character really.

They have got round to it then.

 

[domalino]

Look, I don't believe anyone seriously thinks these comments help Sané.

If someone can show me how Sané is in a better situation now, than he was pre Kroos' comments & how drawing public attention to his 'body language' for all the German media, means he is more likely to settle in quickly, then there is some point to it.

Otherwise if nobody can, then all it's done for Sané is put him under extra pressure when a he is being reintroduced to the team.

Could any of us have thought of an answer which didn't have that effect ? Of course we could.

He said if because he wanted to.

What Kroos said is not very different at all from what Guardiola has said in the past. He needs to work harder, he's not doing enough without the ball, he's far from his best, he needs to be more consistent.

It's been a common theme in Guardiola's press conferences that when given an opportunity to praise Sané, he's instead said he could be better, needs to do more. Completely different to Sterling for example who Pep always praises to high heaven when given the chance.

I believe Guardiola says those things with Sané's benefit in mind. He wants Sané to be as good as possible and thinks the way to do that is by publicly demanding more, giving him a push.

So then when someone else says very similar things, I don't blindly assume they're motivated by racism.