This Cesspit of a City

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west didsblue said:
That’s right.
If Piccadilly Gardens and the stretch of road to Piccadilly Station was sorted out, there wouldn’t be much wrong with the city centre.
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I agree that area and market street is horrible .

However the issue is the general grime and filth and the packs of drop out spicers around. Gangs of them men women all ages just drop outs. We all pity the homeless but some of this lot look like it’s a life choice.

Don’t even get me going on the gangs around Piccadilly gardens openly dealing andintimidating people walking through.

Can I ask if our prisons are full and we have a problem with anti social behaviour whatever happened to community service? You never see people anymore doing community service ? Surely , there is a place for cleaning the streets like they used to , or has cantona changed the rules now and community service can simply involve playing footy with kids?
 
kevin horlocks wand said:
I agree that area and market street is horrible .

However the issue is the general grime and filth and the packs of drop out spicers around. Gangs of them men women all ages just drop outs. We all pity the homeless but some of this lot look like it’s a life choice.

Don’t even get me going on the gangs around Piccadilly gardens openly dealing andintimidating people walking through.

Can I ask if our prisons are full and we have a problem with anti social behaviour whatever happened to community service? You never see people anymore doing community service ? Surely , there is a place for cleaning the streets like they used to , or has cantona changed the rules now and community service can simply involve playing footy with kids?
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Don't disagree with you at all.

But it did read like one those letters to the Daily Mail-;)
 
johnnytapia said:
We pay, as a nation, a reasonable amount of tax. True, it's not Scandinavian in its levels, but it's certainly sufficient. The problem doesn't lie in the amount of tax: homelessness/drugs/begging wouldn't be altered one iota by any increase. The problem lies in the political will (not easy, but achievable) - and a cultural shift (much harder). We just don't seem to care about what we have become as a people and a place.
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There has to be some correlation between public expenditure and social problems. That said, like you, I’m coming to the conclusion that society is getting worse, a view I’ve never held before. Maybe it’s just me getting older :-(
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There has to be some correlation between public expenditure and social problems. That said, like you, I’m coming to the conclusion that society is getting worse, a view I’ve never held before. Maybe it’s just me getting older :-(
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Absolutely agree on the expenditure thing, but I think that's more to do with where successive governments have decided to spend, rather than tax per se. But I agree with you about age and society. As I've got older I seem to have become very, very disillusioned with what I see and hear, especially in our major cities. I went to watch my lad play football in Ardwick today and even the people waiting for the 192 looked more aggressive than they used to!
 
Mrs Thatcher changed our society for ever. It is now up to enlightened individuals to take the lead in promoting a new humanity.

I am fortunate to spend a fair amount of time in rural Spain. Here you still experience fellowship, kindness and an appreciation of time lost in this Country.
"Hermandad" it is called.

My visits to Manchester centre are only for games, and I hurry through averting my eyes away from the unfortunate, until I find the sanctuary of the Public house.
 
asahartford1 said:
Mrs Thatcher changed our society for ever. It is now up to enlightened individuals to take the lead in promoting a new humanity.

I am fortunate to spend a fair amount of time in rural Spain. Here you still experience fellowship, kindness and an appreciation of time lost in this Country.
"Hermandad" it is called.

My visits to Manchester centre are only for games, and I hurry through averting my eyes away from the unfortunate, until I find the sanctuary of the Public house.
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Is that a poem?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There has to be some correlation between public expenditure and social problems. That said, like you, I’m coming to the conclusion that society is getting worse, a view I’ve never held before. Maybe it’s just me getting older :-(
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johnnytapia said:
Absolutely agree on the expenditure thing, but I think that's more to do with where successive governments have decided to spend, rather than tax per se. But I agree with you about age and society. As I've got older I seem to have become very, very disillusioned with what I see and hear, especially in our major cities. I went to watch my lad play football in Ardwick today and even the people waiting for the 192 looked more aggressive than they used to!
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That’s the whole issue for me, we’re getting older and start to find things annoying that have actually always been there but we just didn’t notice or care when we were younger.
I remember by Dad moaning about “the state of that” if he saw skin heads or punks in the 70’s, then complain about the state of Cheetham hill rd in the 80’s, stuff we didn’t notice as kids but now as we’re older we find them irritating. How many of us can hand on heart say we didn’t litter as kids? But now we wouldn’t think about it and berate those who do, we’ve posters complaining about gum on the floor, never spat any out ourselves did we?

It’s our age that makes us notice stuff, another 25 years we’ll all be too decrepit to see it and our kids will be complaining.
 
Jaysus, I haven’t been back since 2012 but you’re not painting a pretty picture.
It’s always been a tough mans town, big immigrant populations fighting for survival and a real grittiness to it.
Plenty of charm though, around King street and Albert Square but it just so happens that the walk from the main train station all the way down to Deansgate is grim. The gardens are an abomination and any improvement should start here.
 
Just been in Middleton Precinct.......two beefed up tight T shirt skinny jeans gobshytes walking past me one purposely shoulders me and then says I was in his way.

Then said I need to get new glasses and that he was walking straight on and didn't want to move.
Manchesters friendly status going downhill in Middleton.

Shook me up to be honest. Oh well.....when you're old and fucked what can you do?
 
Unfortunately, Manchester has a big problem with homelessness
kevin horlocks wand said:
I agree that area and market street is horrible .

However the issue is the general grime and filth and the packs of drop out spicers around. Gangs of them men women all ages just drop outs. We all pity the homeless but some of this lot look like it’s a life choice.

Don’t even get me going on the gangs around Piccadilly gardens openly dealing andintimidating people walking through.

Can I ask if our prisons are full and we have a problem with anti social behaviour whatever happened to community service? You never see people anymore doing community service ? Surely , there is a place for cleaning the streets like they used to , or has cantona changed the rules now and community service can simply involve playing footy with kids?
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Spoken like a regular Fail reader, so you really think some of the homeless choose to live like this . You should be aware that a sizeable proportion of homeless people have mental health problems
 
Withnail said:
Unfortunately, Manchester has a big problem with homelessness

Spoken like a regular Fail reader, so you really think some of the homeless choose to live like this . You should be aware that a sizeable proportion of homeless people have mental health problems
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I think some do. I believe some of them (perhaps understandably) don’t want to be part of main stream society. Your mental health point is absolutely correct though.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I think some do. I believe some of them (perhaps understandably) don’t want to be part of main stream society. Your mental health point is absolutely correct though.
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Possibly, but because of the mental health issues, I would imagine there is a feeling of utter hopelessness which I find very sad.
 
mancityvstoke said:
Shook me up to be honest. Oh well.....when you're old and fucked what can you do?
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In a functioning society you wouldn't need to do anything, someone else would give them a slap. I've a few elderly neighbours and if anyone gave them shite I'd batter the cunts, bar one, as he's a convicted kiddy fiddler and a cousin was one of his victims, they can give him all the shite they want.
 
aguero93:20 said:
In a functioning society you wouldn't need to do anything, someone else would give them a slap. I've a few elderly neighbours and if anyone gave them shite I'd batter the cunts, bar one, as he's a convicted kiddy fiddler and a cousin was one of his victims, they can give him all the shite they want.
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I'm still angry that I didn't do anything. Never felt like that before in my life. I've always had a go but felt I'd get fucked up if I did this time.

Getting old is wank.
 
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