Religion

[arfurclue]

Well that theory never worked did it.

It would seem not. But is that due to the church or the nature of football?

Anyhow it seems time so say 'you' win, I lose. How wonderful - what did you gain for this? Who knows. For me, what did I lose? Well, according to most on this thread, football fandom is a way of protecting an ignorance of Real Love...no heart, no soul, just a distraction...a bunch of ego's tripping together. Time to let go of this, so as to make an opening for more enjoyable, genuinely creative uses of time and space.

Freed from the grip of football as quasi-religious cult. Thank the grace of God for this. Oh, the joy of losing. Peace.

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Arfurclue..... I have read some of your recent, lengthy posts and at the end of it have no fucking clue what you have been going on about or the point you are trying to get across. Literally just words clumped together in sentences. You should go into politics.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

It would seem not. But is that due to the church or the nature of football?

Anyhow it seems time so say 'you' win, I lose. How wonderful - what did you gain for this? Who knows. For me, what did I lose? Well, according to most on this thread, football fandom is a way of protecting an ignorance of Real Love...no heart, no soul, just a distraction...a bunch of ego's tripping together. Time to let go of this, so as to make an opening for more enjoyable, genuinely creative uses of time and space.

Freed from the grip of football as quasi-religious cult. Thank the grace of God for this. Oh, the joy of losing. Peace.

Just smoke the dope enough and you'll feel that way without having theories about it.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

After wading through all the gobbledygook and psychobabble that goes with any discussion of religion and spirituality, it boils down to one thing: Faith in the belief of a divine being or not.

I choose not and believe religion was a form of control over weak minded individuals and has turned into a business that seeks to separate people from their money by funneling archaic beliefs and insinuated threats into their lives.

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

After wading through all the gobbledygook and psychobabble that goes with any discussion of religion and spirituality, it boils down to one thing: Faith in the belief of a divine being or not.

I choose not and believe religion was a form of control over weak minded individuals and has turned into a business that seeks to separate people from their money by funneling archaic beliefs and insinuated threats into their lives.

Precisely.

 

[arfurclue]

After wading through all the gobbledygook and psychobabble that goes with any discussion of religion and spirituality, it boils down to one thing: Faith in the belief of a divine being or not.

I choose not and believe religion was a form of control over weak minded individuals and has turned into a business that seeks to separate people from their money by funneling archaic beliefs and insinuated threats into their lives.

Presence
past, present, future
3 of these are of time
I is timeless
the timeless is not dependent on time
thus it doesn't matter what year teachers/teachings came from
whether they are archaic, modern or futuristic matters not
if they all essentially point to the timeless
this can not be understood by the time bound mind
and no money can buy it, no gender will gain preferential treatment, nor sexual preference, nor status, race, religion.

 

[arfurclue]

Just smoke the dope enough and you'll feel that way without having theories about it.

cookies are for dropping the low; 'just' getting high is a bit dull...

 

[Kinkladze 1]

Presence
past, present, future
3 of these are of time
I is timeless
the timeless is not dependent on time
thus it doesn't matter what year teachers/teachings came from
whether they are archaic, modern or futuristic matters not
if they all essentially point to the timeless
this can not be understood by the time bound mind
and no money can buy it, no gender will gain preferential treatment, nor sexual preference, nor status, race, religion.

Utter tripe that makes no sense.

 

[arfurclue]

Utter tripe that makes no sense.

"this can not be understood by the time bound mind"
edit : ps it is the time bound mind that will think it is strong to deny or shut off any notion
of "presence" - so, yeah if you think of yourself as 'strong' then this sort of thing will not be your cup of tea. Just the way it is.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

Presence
past, present, future
3 of these are of time
I is timeless
the timeless is not dependent on time
thus it doesn't matter what year teachers/teachings came from
whether they are archaic, modern or futuristic matters not
if they all essentially point to the timeless
this can not be understood by the time bound mind
and no money can buy it, no gender will gain preferential treatment, nor sexual preference, nor status, race, religion.

Put down the tequila, mate, you’re talking bollocks.

 

[tonea2003]

Ah - that part within that feels the need to prove itself and its own version of truth, this surely is a heavy burden. Let go of it and Life might feel lighter in a a practical, known sense. That you want to place this 'burden of proof' on someone else is not surprising - must be such hard work carrying it around...here, here, take my burden. Why not just let go of it, even if just for a moment. Put in on the floor (you can always pick it up again) see how this feels and then maybe you'll discover that no-one has to carry it around.

stop saying things you can't back up then, its as simple as, me old china

 

[arfurclue]

Put down the tequila, mate, you’re talking bollocks.

Here. Even the mind that is strongly against the notion of presence find its useful to try to be present.Then
through deliberate choice or perhaps accidentally that mind might open even just a little to presence. Then might want more of
this. So there will be a choice to open to presence that will bring with it a sense of loosening of the grip of the strong mind. This might
feel at first like one is becoming weaker - maybe turning back and trying to double down, attempts to make the mind even stronger. Or
one might allow oneself to feel through this (not collapsing into it, as best one can) opening more to the power of presence which
can then guide the mind - the change between 'yin' and yang' aspects of the mind come to be seamless, more so than could be
known through only the strong mind. But it is a process - can ups and downs, happiness and despair, times where life seems worse than before,
times of wanting to give, times where people will saying you are talking bollocks as it is outside anything that they have know and their storng
minds just know it all. Each to their own.

 

[Elbow beards]

Here. Even the mind that is strongly against the notion of presence find its useful to try to be present.Then
through deliberate choice or perhaps accidentally that mind might open even just a little to presence. Then might want more of
this. So there will be a choice to open to presence that will bring with it a sense of loosening of the grip of the strong mind. This might
feel at first like one is becoming weaker - maybe turning back and trying to double down, attempts to make the mind even stronger. Or
one might allow oneself to feel through this (not collapsing into it, as best one can) opening more to the power of presence which
can then guide the mind - the change between 'yin' and yang' aspects of the mind come to be seamless, more so than could be
known through only the strong mind. But it is a process - can ups and downs, happiness and despair, times where life seems worse than before,
times of wanting to give, times where people will saying you are talking bollocks as it is outside anything that they have know and their storng
minds just know it all. Each to their own.

Can't you just answer questions normally rather than babbling on, no one knows what the fuck your on about. Very good way of deflecting.

 

[arfurclue]

stop saying things you can't back up then, its as simple as, me old china

How is that YOU get decide what other people are and aren't allowed what, and how, to write - what rules they have to obey? How
did you come to the conclusion that this is the best way to be? It's almost like you have taken on a model of moral authoritarianism
from the church you went to and are know passing it on, albeit it in your own form. No, thanks.

 

[snorky]

And the lion shall lie with the lamb.
But the lamb probably won't get much kip.

 

[arfurclue]

Can't you just answer questions normally rather than babbling on, no one knows what the fuck your on about. Very good way of deflecting.

It is really, really simple. But not for the mind that makes things complicated - that'll just get confused and insist that you write in its 'normal way.'
Genuinely, I don't find that enjoyable and actually it is much more like 'a' way of religion that people have been arguing against - why would I want to follow that?

 

[tonea2003]

How is that YOU get decide what other people are and aren't allowed what, and how, to write - what rules they have to obey? How
did you come to the conclusion that this is the best way to be? It's almost like you have taken on a model of moral authoritarianism
from the church you went to and are know passing it on, albeit it in your own form. No, thanks.

i don't, but if you write something on a public forum that either i don't agree with or don't understand why you say what you do i am within my right to ask how/why/where
it ain't rocket science

 

[Bluesince1979]

I dont believe in any higher being, not in the slightest. But if someone wants to believe their is then thats there business. As long as its not forced upon me or preached to me then its there life and nowt to do with me

 

[Elbow beards]

It is really, really simple. But not for the mind that makes things complicated - that'll just get confused and insist that you write in its 'normal way.'
Genuinely, I don't find that enjoyable and actually it is much more like 'a' way of religion that people have been arguing against - why would I want to follow that?

Do you think your some kind of Confucius, Here to enlighten us all?

 

[arfurclue]

i don't, but if you write something on a public forum that either i don't agree with or don't understand why you say what you do i am within my right to ask how/why/where
it ain't rocket science

Do you ever read poetry? If so, do you read a poem in a way where you feel its rhythm, appreciate the cadence, enjoy the beauty of the words...in such a way that brings a smile to your face, a soft war glow to the heart? Or do you sit there with scowl on your face and say to yourself 'this just doesn't prove anything and it isn't like rocket science' and so put the poem down?